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TransPennine Problem Last Night (19/12/15)

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I experienced a problem last night with TransPennine Express (TPE) that I would like to share with you. I had gone to York for the day and bought a day-return from Horsforth. My intention was to get the 1P69 22:30 from York to Leeds, which would have connected with my last train to Horsforth (23:22), and from Horsforth my last bus to Cookridge. I was on the station early, and the 22:30 arrived empty from Middlesbrough at 22:10. I’m not sure if this was meant to run empty, or if it was a cancelled train from Middlesbrough (no guard?).

At 22:30 1P69 was cancelled. No reason was given, I can only presume that either there was no guard, or that the driver would not take passengers on the diversionary route (this train was scheduled to go via Castleford). The reason given on Realtime Trains states ‘This service was cancelled throughout due to late arrival of an inbound service’, but that is simply not true as I watched the train arrive at 22:10 and it was there in the platform. The same train then ran as the 23:06, it took additional passengers from the inbound Newcastle – Manchester Airport service (which was terminated at York).

The train ran to Leeds, arriving at 23:42. I went to find a TPE representative to find out about getting a taxi home, as my last train had gone, and my ticket was to Horsforth. There were a number of people in a similar situation to me travelling onwards to Wakefield and Burley-in-Wharfedale.

There were two TPE reps at Leeds, but they were also tasked with despatching trains. They were both young and had to deal with a fairly angry and not entirely sober mob (a couple of people particularly were quite aggressive). I genuinely felt sorry for the TPE staff at Leeds as they were desperately trying to get the TPE control at Manchester to sanction taxis, but TPE control at Manchester were being belligerent, even hanging up on one of the embarrassed TPE staff midway through a call.

After 40 minutes, I began to feel a bit off (I’m diabetic) and knew that I needed to get home and take my meds, so I left to get my own Uber taxi, which I took to Cookridge, and which cost me £10.85 (I have an email receipt). I realise that £10.85 isn’t the end of the world, but there is a principle here, and I believe that TPE should reimburse me (at least as far as Horsforth station, about £9.00), as well as apologise for the very poor customer service, which goes against their obligations as a TOC.

All of the problems with getting taxis were (from what I can tell) down to ‘control’ at Manchester. I have no idea what happened in the end with the other passengers, and if TPE relented and got them taxis or not.

In summary my thoughts on this are:
1. Why can’t TPE trust the staff at Leeds to make a judgement call for taxis?
2. The member(s) of staff at control in Manchester who were working on Saturday night (19th) need either removing or retraining (I tweeted this to TPE last night also – no response so far).
3. The staff at Leeds were let down by colleagues in Manchester, who are abstract from what is happening on the ground. TPE control literally threw those two youngsters to the wolves, and I really felt sorry for them.
4. There is a health and safety issue here, where the TPE staff at Leeds were being verbally abused by angry customers, this will undoubtedly have a psychological impact upon them (research emotional labour). If these staff are at the same time performing safety critical roles whilst under this stress, there is a chance that distraction could occur, with potentially serious consequences.

I intend to write to TPE about this, although I’m not sure who or where it should be addressed to, any suggestions? Is this something that should also be reported to passenger focus?
 
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I intend to write to TPE about this, although I’m not sure who or where it should be addressed to, any suggestions?
I'd address it to their Head of Customer Services, Stephen Lee. Going by their website's contact us page the general Customer Service address is:

First TransPennine Express
Freepost
ADMAIL 3878
Manchester
M1 9YB
Is this something that should also be reported to passenger focus?
If you receive an unsatisfactory response from TPE, then yes.
 

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This is something TPE need to improve on when they get full control of the franchise. It can be the same at Edinburgh, well worse (there are no tpe staff). At most other stations the staff can just deal with taxis themselves, they should be able to do this at Leeds, since it is a very large and busy station.
 

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Interesting case, I've only ever had exemplary service at Hull (a TPE operated station admittedly) however I have always noticed that they do appear to have to telephone control to obtain permission, as compared with other TOCs where station staff seemingly walk you to the Taxi office and put you in a cab themselves.
 

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As a diabetic myself I always carry medication on me because you never know if you will be delayed and need something.

As for Leeds I can't believe that there wasn't a duty manager on there at a station of that size and it will be interesting to see what TPE's response is.
 

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I've just had a look at RTT, and the problem might be that the train might have been there on time, but the 21:58 arrival from Manchester Airport didn't arrive until 22:12. With that being the only delayed train around that time, maybe (part of) the crew from that was supposed to take the 22:30 onwards, but still needed their break time.

That being said, it doesn't make anything onwards less bad. Employees that are seemingly willing to help stranded passengers basically ignored by their superiors, and thus having to deal with some angry passengers, while they actually are obliged to help these people is certainly not something that should happen, since the customers should be helped in getting home.
 

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As a diabetic myself I always carry medication on me because you never know if you will be delayed and need something.
I'm curious as to what kind of medication the OP needed? A bar of chocolate or sugary drink will sort out a hypo in an emergency. There should be a vending machine at York to sell these. Missing an injection or tablet isn't going to do lasting damage.
 

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I think the post you have put up on here is basically the basis for your letter to TPE and you can get that in the post, along with your tickets and a print out of your receipt, to the address above. I woul expect them to refund your taxi, issue compensation for the delay based on your final arrival time and to take action against the staff in the control centre for misconduct. I would expect them to get an account of what happened from the staff who made the phone calls at Leeds before they challenge the staff in the contol centre. I am hoping that phone calls are recorded. If they do not respond well, yes, take the matter to Transport Focus. This is just not acceptable.
 

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...and to take action against the staff in the control centre for misconduct. I would expect them to get an account of what happened from the staff who made the phone calls at Leeds before they challenge the staff in the contol centre. I am hoping that phone calls are recorded. If they do not respond well, yes, take the matter to Transport Focus. This is just not acceptable.

I'd just point out that we don't know what the full circumstances were - had control already issued instruction for instance?

In any case it is highly unlikely the OP is going to be told anything other than "appropriate investigation and/or action has been taken with the staff concerned" whatever the internal outcome.
 

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I'd just point out that we don't know what the full circumstances were - had control already issued instruction for instance?

In any case it is highly unlikely the OP is going to be told anything other than "appropriate investigation and/or action has been taken with the staff concerned" whatever the internal outcome.

If control had have issued instruction then the station staff would have been getting the taxis they were reuesting,

And thats where lies the problem, the customer is never told exactly what is done to responce to a problem and if any real action has been taken to stop it happening again. There is a too much of a culture in the UK of customers not being told exactly whats happened as a result of a complaint.
 

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There is a too much of a culture in the UK of customers not being told exactly whats happened as a result of a complaint.
You might think so, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't want any disciplinary action taken against me to be broadcast to the public.
 

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If control had have issued instruction then the station staff would have been getting the taxis they were reuesting,

Who is to say that some alternate instruction had been given?

You might think so, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't want any disciplinary action taken against me to be broadcast to the public.

Exactly. I have responsibility for this kind of investigation and response in another industry, and the pitfalls that you describe loom large in choosing what response to provide.
 

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You might think so, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't want any disciplinary action taken against me to be broadcast to the public.

And this isn't just a matter of wanting. It is against the Data Protection Act to disclose details of action taken against a staff member publicly.
 

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And this isn't just a matter of wanting. It is against the Data Protection Act to disclose details of action taken against a staff member publicly.
Oh, I know that - I was just trying to 'make it real' for gray1404. :)
 

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I'm curious as to what kind of medication the OP needed? A bar of chocolate or sugary drink will sort out a hypo in an emergency. There should be a vending machine at York to sell these. Missing an injection or tablet isn't going to do lasting damage.

Are you diabetic or do you know any diabetics ?.

I am assuming that you dont because the last line of your comment is one that is made by someone who is ignorant of the facts.

Failing to take your injection or medication CAN lead to long term problems and hospitalisation.

I should know as I am a type 2 diabetic on tablets and therefore I always ensure that I carry a wide selection of chocolate bars AND my medication with me at all times, just in case I start feeling that I am starting to get a diabetic crash.

So far I have had only had to be hospitalised once, despite being diabetic for 15 years because I take precautions.
 

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I don't really want this thread to go on a diabetes off-topic. But to explain, I'm fairly new to diabetes, had no meds, chocolate or sugary drinks with me, it was 00:20 and I had expected to be home by then, I was platform side at Leeds near the barriers, I didn't expect any shops to be open through the barriers (still don't know if any are in Leeds Station). I panicked a bit, but I didn't want to pipe up in front of the angry mob "I should get priority, I'm diabetic". I just wanted to get home for my meds, so I went. I really shouldn't have been put in that situation in the first place, and next time I'll make sure I think ahead and carry my meds with me.
 
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Interesting case, I've only ever had exemplary service at Hull (a TPE operated station admittedly) however I have always noticed that they do appear to have to telephone control to obtain permission, as compared with other TOCs where station staff seemingly walk you to the Taxi office and put you in a cab themselves.

Well that narrows down where you live *chuckles*

I remember when I once needed the same sort of help, getting a taxi home, and it was explained to me that station staff do not have authorisation and that all taxi requests must be passed to the Higher Ups
 

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And this isn't just a matter of wanting. It is against the Data Protection Act to disclose details of action taken against a staff member publicly.

Depends on the circumstances, surely. Football players get it all the time.
 

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Depends on the circumstances, surely. Football players get it all the time.
If your referring to things like getting a two-match ban for a red card, that's not a private matter between the employer and employee.
 

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If your referring to things like getting a two-match ban for a red card, that's not a private matter between the employer and employee.

No, getting fined two weeks wages for, say, a training ground incident.
 

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Oh, I know that - I was just trying to 'make it real' for gray1404. :)

This is exactly the problem. You get members of staff badly letting members of the public down. Such as in this case a customer having to get their own taxi home. Then the Data Protection Act being used as the reason for being unable to tell the customer what has actually been done in real terms to stop it from happening again. In my work, which is off shore (so I've no Data Protection Act smokescreen to hide behind), if I don't want one of my clients to know that action has been taken against me, I simply don't mess up and I do my job correctly. Sadly with the status quo, customers cannot help but wonder if the train company has done anything and lack that reassurance if their complaint has even been taken seriously. Such more detailed replied would be what would really "make it real"!

You might think so, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't want any disciplinary action taken against me to be broadcast to the public.

Don't give them substandard service then so then they don't need to complain.

Who is to say that some alternate instruction had been given?

What we know from the OP is that control were not providing taxis on request and were even hanging up on the platform staff. If that is what they are doing then that is no providing a solution. We also know that the OP was at Leeds for at least 40 minutes waiting for this to be sorted out, not acceptable.

What other alternative instruction could they possibly provide then? Tell me....
 
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Failing to take your injection or medication CAN lead to long term problems and hospitalisation.

I should know as I am a type 2 diabetic on tablets and therefore I always ensure that I carry a wide selection of chocolate bars AND my medication with me at all times, just in case I start feeling that I am starting to get a diabetic crash.

So far I have had only had to be hospitalised once, despite being diabetic for 15 years because I take precautions.

As a Type 1 diabetic, I can say that is a load of crap. Even missing insulin injections for one or two days is NOT going to cause major issues. Though I never take precautions when travelling for only one day, which sometimes has become two days due to delays and problems, I have never been hospitalised or had any major dramas due to hyperglycemia. Since travelling usually involves lots of sitting, hypoglycemia is never an issue if I am eating regular meals.

Sorry for being OT.
 
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