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Does anyone know why DB Schenker are running light engine runs from Cobra Railfreight (Whithams) at Wakefield to Wigan Wallgate sidings daily (or at least it seems they run daily) and back.

Also what the train reporting numbers are ?

There is one running today, it set off at 05:44 this morning
 
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0Z70 05:44 WKFLD K. WHITHAMS COBRA - 10:13 WIGAN WALLGATE DN CARR SDG running on 08/03/2016

Runs on 08/03/2016
STP schedule runs TO from 08/03/2016 - 08/03/2016
Operated by DBS
Light Locomotive
Diesel Locomotive
Timed to run at 75mph
 

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It's just passed by our house approximately 20 minutes ago, EWS livered class 67, perhaps a route learning run? Seen this go past for the past couple of months at least, in both directions.
 

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0Z70 05:44 WKFLD K. WHITHAMS COBRA - 10:13 WIGAN WALLGATE DN CARR SDG running on 08/03/2016

Runs on 08/03/2016
STP schedule runs TO from 08/03/2016 - 08/03/2016
Operated by DBS
Light Locomotive
Diesel Locomotive
Timed to run at 75mph

Thanks for the Train info, do you know what the reason is/ why they are running this light engine, is it driver training ?
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It's just passed by our house approximately 20 minutes ago, EWS livered class 67, perhaps a route learning run? Seen this go past for the past couple of months at least, in both directions.

Yeah, I saw and photographed it at Navigation Road, it is 67024, I have also seen and got a photo of 66059 on the return on 24th Feb.

I noticed it on the freight schedule of trains going along this line probably about the same time as you, a few months ago, but work usually prevents me from getting to see it.
 

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DB Schenker 67024 in EWS livery going through Navigation Road at 08:05 8th February 2016 on the 0Z70 light engine from Cobra Railfreight to Wigan Wallgate Carriage Sidings.

It arrived there at 09:10
 

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must be a route learner. Bin trains?

Could it be route learning for the Knowsley to North East that runs occasionally, as the route used by that encompasses the stretch from Wigan Wallgate to Wakefield Kirkgate which the 0Z70 traverses.

It is scheduled to run today departing Knowsley Freight Terminal at 10:50 going to Wilton, but it could get cancelled?
 

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I assume, like others, that it is route learning for the upcoming bin liners out of Liverpool bound for the incinerator on Teeside.

The trains haven't started running yet, as I don't think the plant is operational, or still in the commissioning phase.

Freightliner have the contract for the bins from various Manchester sites to the incinerator at Runcorn Folly Lane, which is an entirely different contract to the Knowlsley to Wilton train.
 

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I assume, like others, that it is route learning for the upcoming bin liners out of Liverpool bound for the incinerator on Teeside.

The trains haven't started running yet, as I don't think the plant is operational, or still in the commissioning phase.

Freightliner have the contract for the bins from various Manchester sites to the incinerator at Runcorn Folly Lane, which is an entirely different contract to the Knowlsley to Wilton train.

I believe this train has run previously, I have not seen nor photographed it, but I have noticed it in the schedules, it is usually activated then cancelled, as I see has just happened again today, but I have noticed it as having ran on the odd occasion (I look at the freight scheduled to traverse the Chester -Altrincham - Stockport line which is the line that is nearest to me regularly). However I am unaware if it ran light engine or empty/full stock on these occasions?
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There are bin trains that are supposedly going to start running to Wilton on Teesside via Wakey.

You do know something I don't ;), I did wonder what that Knowsley - Wilton train was, now I know, thanks to yourself and attilathehunn, cheers.
 

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I have just done an on-line search for news about the plant at Knowsley, it seems that a company named SITA UK have bought the old Potter Group warehouse site there, a few years back and have been building the new waste facility there, and are also re-opening the old rail siding to the site. It was originally due to open in January 2015, but the latest news I can find (from 2013) states that it will open sometime in 2016. I cannot find any more or more recent news about it.

The site is not a recycling plant, just a transfer site, waste from Merseyside's recycling centres comes in and is then transferred to rail for transport to Teeside for burning and using the energy from that, presumably putting it into the National Grid.

I am not able to find any more recent news about this, however seeing as the route learning as been going on over the last 2-3 months, it must mean it's opening is imminent?
 

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There's a short discussion entitled "Knowsley Freight Terminal" in the Allocations and Timetables discussions (as I'm inept on my iPad I can't seem to link it). If they're doing the driver training it certainly looks like they'll be starting soon.
 

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There's a short discussion entitled "Knowsley Freight Terminal" in the Allocations and Timetables discussions (as I'm inept on my iPad I can't seem to link it). If they're doing the driver training it certainly looks like they'll be starting soon.

Thanks, I just read that thread, it is about the same thing more or less, I did not notice as I had not looked in this section before posting the thread in the UK Rail Discussions section, the administrator has now moved my thread into that section.
 

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I believe this train has run previously, I have not seen nor photographed it, but I have noticed it in the schedules, it is usually activated then cancelled, as I see has just happened again today, but I have noticed it as having ran on the odd occasion (I look at the freight scheduled to traverse the Chester -Altrincham - Stockport line which is the line that is nearest to me regularly). However I am unaware if it ran light engine or empty/full stock on these occasions?
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You do know something I don't ;), I did wonder what that Knowsley - Wilton train was, now I know, thanks to yourself and attilathehunn, cheers.

You're welcome Bright Boy. I would imagine the route learning runs dependent on the availability of the drivers and the route instructor (may have invented that job title) and they hop into one of the few paths that they have reserved for route learning.

As for 67s, I believe I'm correct in saying you don't need to learn the route on the traction intended for the train. I would assume they use 67s because they aren't as in demand as the class 66s that will likely end up running the trains. Though, yes, as others have said, the Powderhall bin liner has been a 67 for some years. I believe the loco that runs the train is one of the sleeper locos employed between turns.
 

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67s are ideal for road learning, nice big cabs so the learning drivers can stand with room to move and a good wide desk for route maps. It can run using any available loco hence the change between 60-66-67. First trains expected to start running April building up to a total of 2 return trips a day and is meant to be booked a 60
 

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I believe this train has run previously, I have not seen nor photographed it, but I have noticed it in the schedules, it is usually activated then cancelled, as I see has just happened again today, but I have noticed it as having ran on the odd occasion (I look at the freight scheduled to traverse the Chester -Altrincham - Stockport line which is the line that is nearest to me regularly). However I am unaware if it ran light engine or empty/full stock on these occasions?
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You do know something I don't ;), I did wonder what that Knowsley - Wilton train was, now I know, thanks to yourself and attilathehunn, cheers.
The train has NOT operated yet - the only thing has been operating is the DBS L/E route training runs mainly between Wigan and Wakefield. Latest info, it may start to operate next month although terminal is not completely finished yet. Also remember the start of the Council financial year starts in April too. There may the odd "trial" run before that but no info on that at moment.

Loaded trains;
6E26 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68716/2016/03/16/advanced
6E16 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68717/2016/03/17/advanced
Empty trains;
6M26 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68660/2016/03/16/advanced
6M16 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68663/2016/03/17/advanced
 

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The train has NOT operated yet - the only thing has been operating is the DBS L/E route training runs mainly between Wigan and Wakefield. Latest info, it may start to operate next month although terminal is not completely finished yet. Also remember the start of the Council financial year starts in April too. There may the odd "trial" run before that but no info on that at moment.

Loaded trains;
6E26 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68716/2016/03/16/advanced
6E16 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68717/2016/03/17/advanced
Empty trains;
6M26 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68660/2016/03/16/advanced
6M16 http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H68663/2016/03/17/advanced

I take note of the sample of services from Real Time Trains which did not run that you have entered above.

I also use the Realtimetrains website to access info about freight, particularly the Mid-Cheshire line, which is nearest to me. I check almost everyday for freight running along this line, usually in an evening after finishing work.

I did notice when this particular train was started being entered on the schedule, as on the outward Knowsley - Teesside it passes along this line, I only took a mental note, I noticed that it was usually activated then cancelled, I also noticed that the termination point was sometimes entered as Tees Yard rather than Wilton, but on a at least once, maybe a couple of times it ran, about 1-2 months ago, possibly as empties for trial running purposes, it may have terminated in Tees Yard, I did not take a written note of this, but just kept checking so that on the occasion of a day off I might photo it if and when it is running.

Perhaps you or someone else might have access to this information ?

I note that today, Saturday 12th March, the early hours runs out and back to/from Wilton have been cancelled, and there is only a outward run been entered for the afternoon, however it is entered as terminating at Tees Yard (the return is down as not coming back until Monday morning)
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It's still not running yet, but the route learning route was changed slightly today (March 14th), it was supposed to start at Belmont Down Yard but still return to Cobra at Wakefield, however it was cancelled !
 
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I am NOT aware any "trial" train (empty or otherwise) has actually operated either earlier in the year or presently between Kirkby and Tees Yard / Wilton.

Any chance you getting confused with the Freightliner "Binliners" that operate on the Northwich line on a daily basis although I suspect it is unlikely but I need to ask the question. Sorry.

To be honest there is no hurry in wanting to get images of the trains as they will operate soon enough on an everyday basis.
 

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I am NOT aware any "trial" train (empty or otherwise) has actually operated either earlier in the year or presently between Kirkby and Tees Yard / Wilton.

Any chance you getting confused with the Freightliner "Binliners" that operate on the Northwich line on a daily basis although I suspect it is unlikely but I need to ask the question. Sorry.

To be honest there is no hurry in wanting to get images of the trains as they will operate soon enough on an everyday basis.

I havn't mistaken them for anything else, I am well aware of the Binliners from Dean Lane/Brindle Heath, Bredbury and Northenden.

nor have I mistaken it for any of the mineral trains passing this way from the Peak District to Northwich and several other places.

not even with the Biomass tains operating between Liverpool and Drax

or the coal trains from Immingham - Fiddlers Ferry which came this way for a short while.

I'm not in a hurry to photograph this train, I will when I see it, but I was just interested in it as another freight service, which uses the Mid-Cheshire line.

I keep a lookout for different or unusual workings on this line
 

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I havn't mistaken them for anything else, I am well aware of the Binliners from Dean Lane/Brindle Heath, Bredbury and Northenden.
nor have I mistaken it for any of the mineral trains passing this way from the Peak District to Northwich and several other places.
not even with the Biomass tains operating between Liverpool and Drax
or the coal trains from Immingham - Fiddlers Ferry which came this way for a short while.

I'm not in a hurry to photograph this train, I will when I see it, but I was just interested in it as another freight service, which uses the Mid-Cheshire line.
I keep a lookout for different or unusual workings on this line

I was not referring to any other trains outside the "Binliner" option as they are different obviously, so never mentioned! :p

Like you, I am also interested in the increase frequency of freight along the Mid-Cheshire Line too but because the train starts / finishes in my area, I tend to hear about (or see) "new" traffic either before or as and when it happens. However, I accept something could always escape me! :lol: I may have further information later this week in regards to this "new" freight service and if its "possible", I will post an update.
 

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The Knowsley - Wilton still has not started, however there have been other changes, the morning train has been removed from the schedules this week, and the route training has been extended from Wigan to Knowsley, but goes via Eccles instead.
 
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