That will be an interesting development - hard to engage in bad habits with Big Brother keeping an eye on you all the time.
No reason why it should be - lenses mist up when they are colder than the air around them. I'm sure it will be lovely and toasty warm in the corner of the cab.CCTV camera lens constantly misted up with steam in the cab...
Most people in retail jobs have gotten used to it though.Well, who would want to have a camera pointing at them for the majority of their working day, every day? I wouldn't. I don't think it's unreasonable for the unions to object.
A film actor?Well, who would want to have a camera pointing at them for the majority of their working day, every day?
Keeping the discussion hypothetical, I'd have thought ASLEF would have supported all their members, irrespective of their contract of employment.ASLEF are not, will ASLEF support a driver after an incident if they are on ZHC?
in-cab CCTV is an interesting move- do any regular passenger or freight fleets have it? I can't imagine it being popular in a unionised workforce. For example, I know that Cemex have in-cab cameras on their tipper trucks and articulated lorries, but not their Cement fleet, as that has a highly unionised workforce who vehemently opposed the move (they were OK though with multiple exterior cameras)
Do steam locos have these systems, and if they don't how practical would it be to have them fitted?On train monitoring systems are very in depth and provide all he details management need to carry out incident investigation and Driver assessments.
Well, who would want to have a camera pointing at them for the majority of their working day, every day? I wouldn't. I don't think it's unreasonable for the unions to object.
Operating a steam engine on the main line is a bit of a special case though, and not an every-day job so I can see a justification for it there.
Is the CCTV idea there because the OTMR can't record the level of data required on a steam loco compared with more modern traction?No. Aslef are against it and it is a step too far for normal, professional train drivers to allow. If any TOC even attempts to introduce in cab cctv monitoring then there will be alot of misery for passengers during the strike action that would almost certainly occur.
As someone else mentioned above, would most people be happy with not one, but most likely two cctv cameras watching your every move whilst carrying out your job? On train monitoring systems are very in depth and provide all he details management need to carry out incident investigation and Driver assessments.
Cctv may be the only way for West Coast to keep their operating license and I imagine most of their crews will grudgingly agree to work under this new system in order to keep on playing at train drivers, when they really should be enjoying their retirement down the pub!
Well, who would want to have a camera pointing at them for the majority of their working day, every day?
Operating a steam engine on the main line is a bit of a special case though, and not an every-day job so I can see a justification for it there.
Plenty of buses have them.
Do steam locos have these systems, and if they don't how practical would it be to have them fitted?
Is the CCTV idea there because the OTMR can't record the level of data required on a steam loco compared with more modern traction?
That was what I thought - they have recorders but they don't record nearly as many parameters as with modern stock. Hence CCTV as an easy workaround.It would appear so. In the RAIB report about Wooton Basset, the action of opening the TPWS isolation valve was inferred from the behaviour of the recorded parts of the system, it was not recorded directly.
Are they pointing at the driver though?
We're not supposed to be mentioning the Wootton Bassett incident at the moment.They do, yes.
It would appear so. In the RAIB report about Wooton Basset, the action of opening the TPWS isolation valve was inferred from the behaviour of the recorded parts of the system, it was not recorded directly.
I think referring to information in the public domain - such as the RAIB report - is okay.We're not supposed to be mentioning the Wootton Bassett incident at the moment.
So if that is the case, as ASLEF has accepted OTMR, they shouldn't have a problem with CCTV being fitted to steam locos?That was what I thought - they have recorders but they don't record nearly as many parameters as with modern stock. Hence CCTV as an easy workaround.
That is between the traincrew, the unions and WCRC.So if that is the case, as ASLEF has accepted OTMR, they shouldn't have a problem with CCTV being fitted to steam locos?
No. Aslef are against it and it is a step too far for normal, professional train drivers to allow. If any TOC even attempts to introduce in cab cctv monitoring then there will be alot of misery for passengers during the strike action that would almost certainly occur.
As someone else mentioned above, would most people be happy with not one, but most likely two cctv cameras watching your every move whilst carrying out your job? On train monitoring systems are very in depth and provide all he details management need to carry out incident investigation and Driver assessments.
Cctv may be the only way for West Coast to keep their operating license and I imagine most of their crews will grudgingly agree to work under this new system in order to keep on playing at train drivers, when they really should be enjoying their retirement down the pub!
I think referring to information in the public domain - such as the RAIB report - is okay.
The unions could insist on certain safeguards when dealing with the CCTV footage.
They could insist that it is only accessed post-incident and/or with a union official present and possibly an ORR representative as well.
Would like some clarification from mods on this - as I had previously posted public domain information, and a warning not to discuss the case followed shortly thereafter.
No reason why it should be - lenses mist up when they are colder than the air around them. I'm sure it will be lovely and toasty warm in the corner of the cab.
Ah, okay. Gotcha.I know - it was a light-hearted/non-scientific comment.
The unions could insist on certain safeguards when dealing with the CCTV footage.
They could insist that it is only accessed post-incident and/or with a union official present and possibly an ORR representative as well.
The unions could insist on certain safeguards when dealing with the CCTV footage.
They could insist that it is only accessed post-incident and/or with a union official present and possibly an ORR representative as well.
Are they pointing at the driver though? Or just out the window?
As mentioned above, many customer facing jobs, including guards, have CCTV pointing at them for most of their day.