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Collision Plymouth 03/04/16
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I know the AAIB don't play the blame game, are the RAIB any different
As it says in every RAIB report:
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GWR have three 'spare' power cars, so it depends on their availability, and on whether the Mk3 coaches are undamaged, but the HST could be back in service relatively quickly.
The 150 situation will be harsher, as there are already not quite enough DMUs in their fleet to run the service they want to at all times in the past there have been full-time bus replacements rationed out amongst branch lines on a rota basis.
Incident messages internally. Glad to hear it may have been incorrect though.
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krus_aragon
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I'm intrigued at this sentence in the BBC's article:
Why should people avoid the station? Is it just to discourage gawkers? Surely if you're travelling by train you need to go where the train goes...
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Why should people avoid the station? Is it just to discourage gawkers? Surely if you're travelling by train you need to go where the train goes...
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Well I say blame, they do it in a slightly more convoluted way by pointing out any mistakes made (if any) by the parties involved and the necessary remedial lessons that should or must apply to prevent a repetition of the event.
Sometimes despite everything being done "by the book", they find that there's nothing could be done, other times they get tough.
Sometimes despite everything being done "by the book", they find that there's nothing could be done, other times they get tough.
HMS Ark Royal
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I was just looking at the sectional appendix for Plymouth and noticed it still uses the term "Class 253/254" for HSTs.
Whilst I don't want to start pointing fingers at people, I would like to know why the Sprinter driver didn't stop in time. Also, would the signaller be relieved after the accident as ATC people are with air-crashes
Whilst I don't want to start pointing fingers at people, I would like to know why the Sprinter driver didn't stop in time. Also, would the signaller be relieved after the accident as ATC people are with air-crashes
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That would be for the investigation to find out.
HarleyDavidson
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Oh you know what it's like, you get the professionally "shocked" who claim to have seen it happen, been on the train and so on & so forth, so they can claim compo! Also there's the just plain curious who'll just get in the way of things.
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I had heard something about it being more serious and involving the driver
but everyone is okay and it's not serious thank goodness
HMS Ark Royal
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And not implying he or she was... Just wondered if the same sort of thing happened
Also to assist the emergency services and other authorities and bodies, who will no doubt require a fair bit of room at the station (The ambulance service sending 12 vehicles, let alone fire, police and NR), and as such, anyone who doesn't need to visit the station shouldn't, as you'd simply be the way (People love having a look at such things, just see rubbernecking on motorways!).
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Few observations- According to Open Train Times 1A91 Plymoyth to Paddington was destined for platform 7, and 2E68 Penzance to Exeter St Davids platform 8.
In the picture, the track appears to have a lot of oil on it (platform 6)
The semaphore calling on signal is smaller, and has a horizontal white stripe.
In the picture, the track appears to have a lot of oil on it (platform 6)
The semaphore calling on signal is smaller, and has a horizontal white stripe.
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So a rail related incident occurs, but we shouldn't speculate on an internet forum, and wait for the official report?! An extraordinary concept. Impossible to imagine that anything said on here (and I mean anything) could possibly have any bearing on an official investigation, or have I missed something and this forum has some official status?
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Are GWR still refurbishing power cars at Kilmarnock?
Is this one still to go?
Is this one still to go?
jmbill
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Yes, replacement 43s power cars shouldn't be a problem. I think one of the spares is in Plymouth Laira already.
Previously when 150s have been damaged (like the derailment at Westbury or the fire on a 150 just outside Plymouth) typically a hybrid 150/153 has been formed: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45481
I would imagine both trains involved in the incident today will be shunted back to Laira, from where more detailed examinations can be conducted and trains can be split / reformed accordingly. There's also a suitable loading ramp there to convoy damaged stock away by road, should the need arise.
Praise to the station staff and emergency services this afternoon. I heard it was all handled extremely professionally. The stories that the local ad-rags are running headlining this as "20 injured in Plymouth express train smash" are best ignored as always!
There are no semaphore calling-on / shunt ahead signals in Cornwall. I believe the last one was removed some years ago and was possibly in Truro.
In areas where permissive working is allowed a colour light signal will display a proceed aspect on a position light rather than a main aspect on a signal. This will indicate to the driver the platform ahead may be occupied.
In areas where permissive working is allowed a colour light signal will display a proceed aspect on a position light rather than a main aspect on a signal. This will indicate to the driver the platform ahead may be occupied.
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HMS Ark Royal
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Would they be towed in by another engine or could they use the cabs at the other end to limp in by themselves?
D1009
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Not sure how Plymouth station works currently, it has always seemed like a station with more platforms than it really needs. Is there a reluctance to use platforms 7 and 8 unless absolutely necessary due to staffing issues?
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For 12 ambulance vehicles to be called does suggest the accident was, perhaps, originally thought to involve more casualties than, thankfully, were the case. Even including paramedic motorbikes, etc, that represents almost all the available vehicles/personnel from quite a wide area of Devon and Cornwall.
When I heard of the accident I have to admit to breathing a sigh of relief as to the timing. Yesterday I attended the Golden Wedding celebrations of some friends in Penzance and three of their guests, including their daughter, were travelling on a Pz to Paddington service at 14.30 today, which would still have been nowhere near Plymouth by 15.30, so I know they are safe. I'll post later as to what happened to their journey(s). Two of them had to get to Margate, one of them starting a new job tomorrow morning in London.
When I heard of the accident I have to admit to breathing a sigh of relief as to the timing. Yesterday I attended the Golden Wedding celebrations of some friends in Penzance and three of their guests, including their daughter, were travelling on a Pz to Paddington service at 14.30 today, which would still have been nowhere near Plymouth by 15.30, so I know they are safe. I'll post later as to what happened to their journey(s). Two of them had to get to Margate, one of them starting a new job tomorrow morning in London.
I wouldn't call six platforms, one of which is a west facing bay, excessive. Plymouth handles a lot of terminating services that can occupy platforms for 30+ minutes.
This can cause constraints on platform availability, hence the need sometimes to use permissive working into occupied platforms.
sciisfun
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same, one of my fellow scout leaders, and friend signs for the 150's, thankfully he was off *shift* a few hours previous, thoughts go out to everyone involved, and I, along with others here wish them all a speedy and full recovery
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There are lift works ongoing at the moment with the lifts to Platforms 7 and 8 out of use, so they are not used wherever possible. Normally they are used more than Platforms 5 and 6.
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Exactly. I'm surprised a platform, anything SW of Bristol, could accommodate both a HST and any other stock you care to mention. Having said that, even if signaller error, the driver of the HST should have been fully aware of this. Still, let's wait until the RAIB report before jumping to conclusions
I can't see how the driver of the HST has done anything wrong. His train was seemingly correctly platformed and stationary when hit in the rear by 2E68.
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What does the HST driver have to do with anything?
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The HST had been in platform 6 ever since 15:00, that's 34 minutes before 2E68 arrived.
I do not believe the HST driver did anything wrong.
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