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If polls are spot on, London may see its first Muslim mayor

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Xenophon PCDGS

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Someone from Tooting would have a South / South West London accent.

Which is not the same as a cockney accent (the 'Bow Bells' you need to be born within sound of is St Mary Le Bow Church on Cheapside, not Bow near Stratford)

or an East London accent

or a South East London accent

and so on

(at one time, I could usually place a Londoner within a few miles either way by their accent. Accents in general are getting more regional than local now)

Talking of Americans and also of cockney scents, I cannot stop cringing every time that my good lady wife decides to put the dvd of "Mary Poppins" on and there comes a time when Dick van Dyke as a chimney sweep bursts into song in what was said to be a "cockney accent"...<(
 
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Talking of Americans and also of cockney scents, I cannot stop cringing every time that my good lady wife decides to put the dvd of "Mary Poppins" on and there comes a time when Dick van Dyke as a chimney sweep bursts into song in what was said to be a "cockney accent"...<(

Although he did claim he was be taught to speak like a cockney by an Irishman who had a worse accent than he did :D
 

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London has already had a muslim mayor. Lutfur Rahman - possibly the most corrupt man ever to serve in office - was, before he was removed the mayor of Tower Hamlets.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I've watched many of these videos. This is the last time I'll talk about accents and the demographics of London:

Please do because you have no idea of what you are talking about, at all.

And no, we dont all think NYC is like friends - if you think that then you really are more ignorant than you come across
 

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I was trying to show that the TFL videos gave me the impression that London has more foreigners than White Brits. And most of them spoke in the accent.

Anyway, that's my last post in this thread. I'm moving on.
 

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Given the fact there have only ever been two people holding the post of 'Mayor of London' isn't it a bit soon to be describing an upcoming post-holder as the "first" of a particular demographic?
 

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i wonder if the definition the OP has for "cockney" is in fact a southern/estuary British accent as not one of the people in the linked videos has a traditional "cockney" accent!
 

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I was trying to show that the TFL videos gave me the impression that London has more foreigners than White Brits. And most of them spoke in the accent.

Anyway, that's my last post in this thread. I'm moving on.

Well you were wrong - by a long margin.

Thats like us sayiong NYC is full of Italian gangsters and thats how they sound. See how silly you sound??
 

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I was trying to show that the TFL videos gave me the impression that London has more foreigners than White Brits. And most of them spoke in the accent. .
I've watched the first video, and saw no evidence of anyone who appears to be a "foreigner" appearing in the video. None of the people in the video spoke in a "cockney" accent.

See this video: Learn the Cockney accent with Jason Statham !

(note that many of the slang words are used elsewhere, e.g. "fit" or "minger" is also used here in Yorkshire)

i wonder if the definition the OP has for "cockney" is in fact a southern/estuary British accent as not one of the people in the linked videos has a traditional "cockney" accent!
I think there is likely some confusion as to what a cockney accent is.

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Given the fact there have only ever been two people holding the post of 'Mayor of London' isn't it a bit soon to be describing an upcoming post-holder as the "first" of a particular demographic?
Absolutely :lol:
 

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I've watched the first video, and saw no evidence of anyone who appears to be a "foreigner" appearing in the video. None of the people in the video spoken in a "cockney" accent.

See this video: Learn the Cockney accent with Jason Statham !

(note that many of the slang words are used elsewhere, e.g. "fit" or "minger" is also used here in Yorkshire)

Fun fact: the words 'minger' and 'minging' have Scottish originations.
 

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It's interesting that you emphasise that the next Mayor may end up being a Muslim. Unlike in the USA, the religious affiliations of our political leaders is generally not talked about so much, as it shouldn't have any effect on their ability as politicians.

I agree with you, but I'm wondering if we should be so optimistic, given that the Conservatives now appear to be trying to discredit Sadiq by playing up the 'Muslim extremists' theme. Zac Goldsmith has been doing this for a while now. But today, David Cameron stepped in, using Parliamentary Privilege to accuse an Imam at Sadiq's mosque, Suliman Gani, of supporting IS - so far as I can tell, without any reasonable evidence of this. Suliman has strongly denied supporting IS and challenged David Cameron to repeat his allegations outside of Parliamentary privilege. Gani has also tweeted evidence of his opposition to IS and extremism, and further tweeted evidence that he had links with the local Conservatives at the last election, when he was a Conservative supporter.

I have to say, that, every time I think that the Conservatives have now stooped so low that they cannot possibly do anything to disgust me any more - they manage to prove me wrong. I actually now feel ashamed that there were times in the long distant past when I was tempted to vote Conservative. A party that apparently sees nothing wrong with making up apparently untrue allegations about extremism to try to discredit by association a candidate who happens to be Muslim. :(
 
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I agree with you, but I'm wondering if we should be so optimistic, given that the Conservatives now appear to be trying to discredit Sadiq by playing up the 'Muslim extremists' theme. Zac Goldsmith has been doing this for a while now. But today, David Cameron stepped in, using Parliamentary Privilege to accuse an Imam at Sadiq's mosque, Suliman Gani, of supporting IS - so far as I can tell, without any reasonable evidence of this. Suliman has strongly denied supporting IS and challenged David Cameron to repeat his allegations outside of Parliamentary privilege. Gani has also tweeted evidence of his opposition to IS and extremism, and further tweeted evidence that he had links with the local Conservatives at the last election, when he was a Conservative supporter.

I have to say, that, every time I think that the Conservatives have now stooped so low that they cannot possibly do anything to disgust me any more - they manage to prove me wrong. I actually now feel ashamed that there were times in the long distant past when I was tempted to vote Conservative. A party that apparently sees nothing wrong with making up apparently untrue allegations about extremism to try to discredit by association a candidate who happens to be Muslim. :(

To be fair Gani does seem to have been associated with some pretty repellent organisations.

Such as the Conservative Party.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...backfire-as-repellent-imams-tory-links-emerge

Gani even says he actually supported Dan Watkins, the Conservative candidate who unsuccessfully challenged Khan in Tooting at last year’s general election.

And it seems that a number of other Conservative politicians have been on cooperative terms with the “repellent” Gani. Khan’s neighbour MP, Battersea’s Jane Ellison, appears to have shared quite a small and intimate platform with him.
 

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I agree with you, but I'm wondering if we should be so optimistic, given that the Conservatives now appear to be trying to discredit Sadiq by playing up the 'Muslim extremists' theme. Zac Goldsmith has been doing this for a while now. But today, David Cameron stepped in, using Parliamentary Privilege to accuse an Imam at Sadiq's mosque, Suliman Gani, of supporting IS - so far as I can tell, without any reasonable evidence of this. Suliman has strongly denied supporting IS and challenged David Cameron to repeat his allegations outside of Parliamentary privilege. Gani has also tweeted evidence of his opposition to IS and extremism, and further tweeted evidence that he had links with the local Conservatives at the last election, when he was a Conservative supporter.

I have to say, that, every time I think that the Conservatives have now stooped so low that they cannot possibly do anything to disgust me any more - they manage to prove me wrong. I actually now feel ashamed that there were times in the long distant past when I was tempted to vote Conservative. A party that apparently sees nothing wrong with making up apparently untrue allegations about extremism to try to discredit by association a candidate who happens to be Muslim. :(

It's what Dodgy Dave does. When asked a question about the privatisation of schools, he goes on vicious, lying ad hominem attacks without answering the question. It's smash and grab politics.
 

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It's what Dodgy Dave does. When asked a question about the privatisation of schools, he goes on vicious, lying ad hominem attacks without answering the question. It's smash and grab politics.

It's what EVERY politician does. Look at any interview. Ask one question and they give you the answer to a different one.
 

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I went to school in Catford and was accused by an English master of having a South East London accent! As I also lived in SE London, I would have been entitled to repeat the immortal lines from Fawlty Towers of Basil Fawlty to the complaining guest about the view from the windows 'this is Torquay, what do you expect to see, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon?', if only they'd been written by then.

I think Sadiq Khan chooses to adopt a more Sarf London accent than he used to, but I don't decry him for that, he might get a few more votes than he would lose. Matthew Parris's piece on Goldsmith a week or three back in the Times said Cameron's choice of Zac showed Call Me Dave's contempt for the mayoral position allied to a realisation the Tories couldn't win again. Max Hastings also wrote a piece of anti-Khan propaganda for the Mail, in the course of which, though, he laid into Goldsmith as somebody who had achieved nothing of his own other than to be born the son of a very rich man and inherit a staggering packet, and reminded anyone who needed reminding that he'd only relinquished his non-dom status with great reluctance as a prerequisite of becoming a MP.
 

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People's accents do change over time as well. My father tells me that I have far more of a Llanelli accent than I did when I lived in Swansea, and when I was in Reading my colleagues always said I sounded more Welsh after going home for a week.
 

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People's accents do change over time as well.

I can attest to this. Moving from the west of Scotland to the East Midlands over a decade ago, my accent has changed to the extent that I now sound Scottish to English people, and English to Scottish people.

I plan to travel to Wales, just so I can find out from a neutral perspective if my accent is more English or Scottish now!
 

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People's accents do change over time as well. My father tells me that I have far more of a Llanelli accent than I did when I lived in Swansea, and when I was in Reading my colleagues always said I sounded more Welsh after going home for a week.

I do if I go home for any length of time and my accent gets much more "north eastern" if i visit the family further north.

I also find that becoming more northern when in dispute with southerners helps. Yer jokin arentcha or h'way man divvent tark s*i*e? are useful phrases. That and using the word "love" ;)
 

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People's accents do change over time as well. My father tells me that I have far more of a Llanelli accent than I did when I lived in Swansea, and when I was in Reading my colleagues always said I sounded more Welsh after going home for a week.

Dialects as well? Since starting uni, I've found myself asking for a bacon cob a few times now.
 
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