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Has the Scotsman been cleared for speeds above 75 then?
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Has the Scotsman been cleared for speeds above 75 then?
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No, the schedule just shows the speed that it is pathed for at the start of the trip. In this case it was a 47 from London York so can do 95mph. Flying Scotsman is limited to 75mph
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As someone has suggested elsewhere, why not renumber and rename the engine 60106 'Flying Fox' or any one of the other A3s. There would be no media hype and 'Joe Public' wouldn't give a stuff about it. It would still be 'Flying Scotsman' to the enthusiast, who probably doesn't care about the name anyway, it's an A3 Pacific. Then the tresspass situation would probably cool off. I have been told that if it doesn't cool off, the ORR are considering banning the loco from the national network. Sad.
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exactly
and WCRC and the recent lineside idicots wit hthe Scotsman builds up the evidence to make restrictions tighter for fear of a combination of circumstances ...
DasLunatic
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... don't forget to paint it Leicester blue!
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Dario, to paraphrase Alan Greenspan
I know you think you understand what you thought I wrote but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant
The placing of a tripod over a lineside fence is no more dangerous than leaning over the same fence with the camera in your hand,if you are the correct side of the fencing.The only difference is you get a steadier picture.
I was referring to those numpties who get on the ballast,cross running lines, to get the sun behind them, and i have seen plenty of them, who pack up is a cloud crosses the sun so the 'glint' pic is no longer possible, hang 10 on platforms instead of standing back, going off the end of platforms and other sundry lunatic actions only the human is capable of. I want to live long.Not by doing some of those daft things i hope to acheive that aim. I was pointing out that there could be some 'officials' who just want that little bit more of the jobsworth buzz and exert more than the authority they should. That is what i meant by Draconian. They tend to hide behind elfnsafty, security and a myriad of other nebulous reasons that if pressed by someone, wouldf not be able to justify their actions!
Meanwhile i will continue to use common sense, ask where it is required,and stay within the law of photography. Hope that clarifies it for you, and if i cant get THAT picture, ok thats the way it goes.
I know you think you understand what you thought I wrote but I'm not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant
The placing of a tripod over a lineside fence is no more dangerous than leaning over the same fence with the camera in your hand,if you are the correct side of the fencing.The only difference is you get a steadier picture.
I was referring to those numpties who get on the ballast,cross running lines, to get the sun behind them, and i have seen plenty of them, who pack up is a cloud crosses the sun so the 'glint' pic is no longer possible, hang 10 on platforms instead of standing back, going off the end of platforms and other sundry lunatic actions only the human is capable of. I want to live long.Not by doing some of those daft things i hope to acheive that aim. I was pointing out that there could be some 'officials' who just want that little bit more of the jobsworth buzz and exert more than the authority they should. That is what i meant by Draconian. They tend to hide behind elfnsafty, security and a myriad of other nebulous reasons that if pressed by someone, wouldf not be able to justify their actions!
Meanwhile i will continue to use common sense, ask where it is required,and stay within the law of photography. Hope that clarifies it for you, and if i cant get THAT picture, ok thats the way it goes.
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Lots of nice words there plus some useful chucking in of the phrases "jobsworth" and "elfnsafty" but you don't seem to get that you are part of the problem in displaying such an attitude.
You are suggesting there are degrees of trespass and that your trespass is OK because you are an expert. When is a rule a rule and when is it one you can to you use your "expertise" or "judgement" or "common sense" to interpret? When is it OK to decide which rules or parts thereof don't apply to you? Other people, lacking your "expertise" or "judgement" or "common sense" will see you (an expert) interpreting the rules to your benefit and will do the same. They lack your knowledge and will make more dangerous choices.
The issue may be minor but the principle you are espousing is exactly the kind of position that will help to get steam trains banned. If you want to watch them, stay behind the fence.
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Off Topic, I know, but isn't that the WORST photo of the Flying Scotsman you have ever seen? There must be zillions of good ones taken (includng some from the middle of the tracks on the ECML
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It is a farce on Network Rails behalf everyone and there dog has known scotsman was coming this way for months and they have been able to gauge both scotsman up to Edinburgh and other steam on the borders and fife circle so there is no excuse.
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Time for the route director and highers to be sued for everything they have.
This is negligence of the highest order and this time NR has deprived another Government body of revenue, so it really is time a class action was launched to make them step up and behave.
This is negligence of the highest order and this time NR has deprived another Government body of revenue, so it really is time a class action was launched to make them step up and behave.
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I wouldn't say this incident is an example of negligence of the highest order. I think NR have other priorities.
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This is unfortunate but not at all surprising. NR have persistent problems in producing timings for charters, as everything seems to get done at the last minute. I would imagine that nobody got round to actually checking the gauge clearance until it was time to put the schedule in, and only realise that it hasn't been done!
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Which suggests NR doesn't know how to manage processes and procedures. Good job it doesn't operate in a safety critical world....
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Which suggests NR doesn't know how to manage processes and procedures. Good job it doesn't operate in a safety critical world....
This incident with the Scotsman shows a degree of incompetence, but you can't fault Network Rail for its safety record when you consider that we've had no fatal train crashes since 2007.
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I really can't understand this one at all - the Borders Railway was very thoroughly gauged before it re-opened to ensure the track laying trains would fit, and has since been cleared for LNER Class A4, BR Class 37, Class 66 and Class 67 locomotives (and possibly others, can't be bothered looking at the Sectional Appendix).
The Forth Bridge has been gauged recently, and I know it has been gauged recently because it's on the list of data we have for electrification purposes - at this stage, it's can it be done - Yes or No, and we have confirmed both the Forth and Tay Bridges can be electrified. We also know that the tunnels in Fife aren't sufficiently generous for electrification and need slab track thanks to the gauging data we have on them. It was further gauged to determine IEP/AT300 compliance and works required.
The gauging data we have was also checked to ensure that the Class 68 locomotives were in gauge when they started on the Fife Circle.
I'm really at a loss to understand who has ****ed up and whether there's something more serious going on like engineering works which have changed the gauge. Any odd ESR/TSR or new PSRs on the routes recently ?
LNW-GW Joint
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Railtrack (thankfully) vanished 15 years ago...
Typically, the SNP is blaming Network Rail HQ in England for the problems, and not the local operation.
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Why stop there? Sack them, strip them, and whip them naked through the streets of Scunthorpe. Confiscate all their assets and sell their families into slavery. Brand them on the forehead with the railway double-arrows and outlaw them, so they can never know the comfort of hearth nor shelter.
Or is that not harsh enough?
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Brilliantly put! Have a like!
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The promise of a full Scottish Government enquiry seems to have been motivational.
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Good to hear that there's been an about-turn. Some common sense.
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