extendedpaul
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Thank you, exactly what I need. I tried under Stagecoach Gloucester, West and Forest Of Dean without success but didn't search under Swindon.
Surprised the ticket isn't better publicised.
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Thank you, exactly what I need. I tried under Stagecoach Gloucester, West and Forest Of Dean without success but didn't search under Swindon.
Surprised the ticket isn't better publicised.
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Following on from my post yesterday which gave VOSA Bus Service registrations from Stagecoach West around Cheltenham / Gloucester) effective 04-Sep-2016, another load has appeared in the registrations for today (12th July) along with a load for Stagecoach South West. The additions today which, like the ones I posted yesterday, take effect 04-Sep-2016 are given below.
There is also a surprise which I must admit I certainly didn't see coming.
Stagecoach West
Changes to Route and Timetable:
60 Dursley - Thornbury
61 Cheltenham - Dursley
62, 60, X62 Gloucester - Berkeley
62, X62 Berkeley - Bristol (!!!)
63, 63A Forest Green - Gloucester
64 Stonehouse - France Lynch
65 Stroud - Cam and Dursley Rail Station
66S/66E/66F/66Q/66W Gloucester - Stroud / Fretherne
67 Stroud - Cashes Green
Cancelled Services
88 Dursley - Berkeley
Well well well! The entries for Services 60, 62 & X62 are, IMO, the most interesting out of all the above. The present situation fo services around Dursley & Berkeley is:
- Service 60 Dursley - Cam & Dursley Station - Wotton-under-Edge - Thornbury
- Service 62 Gloucester - Quedgeley - Whitminster - Dursley
- Service 62A Gloucester - Quedgeley - Whitminster - Cam & Dursley Station - Dursley.
- Service 88 Dursley - Berkeley - Bristol
The post I wrote yesterday included the cancellation of Service 113 (Arlingham - Gloucester) so an intial flick-through of the registrations for today (during which I didn't see the Berkeley - Bristol and Dursley - Brekeley ones) made me wonder if, as well as being an extension, there could also be a deviation to Arlingham in place of Service 113 with the 88 remaining as Dursley - Berkeley - Bristol. But it seems, in fact, as if a proper bus service of some sort will once again run from Gloucester to Bristol! (hock
The last route to do that was back in First Badgerline days as Service 307 / 308 IIRC (I used it once to go from Bristol to Gloucester): my Dad remembers it previously as Service 29. I seem to recall that when the service through Falfield was withdrawn the locals kicked up a bit of a stink about it so that is obviously set to continue.
This would appear just to be a more convenient way of operating the 88, as well as indicating that it runs on a motorway for half it's length.
Bristol-Gloucester has had a bus service for the last few months since the Belles Express was extended (And with one change at cribbs for the last year since the Belles Express was started), however it still has no passengers to speak of which is the actual problem.
The service through Falfield is a combination of the 60/87/207 the 87 bit of which was cancelled yesterday so the locals may be winging again without the revised 60 covers the 87 journeys.
The 29 was Bristol-Gloucester before 1929 after which it was extended to Cheltenham.
DaveHarries
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Fair point although it is interesting that the Berkeley - Bristol section is given as being Services 62 and X62. Meanwhile the 88 does have a stop for Falfield, albeit on Tortworth Road just near where the Tortworth Road joins the A38 so Falfield won't be completely sunk. But I wonder if the X62 could be peak hours only. It will be interesting to see.
Dave
The people in Falfield were complaining because their Thornbury/Wotton bus went when the 87 was diverted through Cromhall. None of them used the 204 (the service the 88 replaced), partly because there wasnt a physical stop there and they didnt like the 88 as it didnt go to Thornbury or Wotton.
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Hopefully these changes will lead to the simplification of bus services in the Dursley, Berkeley and Wotton area. The removal of the countless mix of regular and irregular subsidised bus services, and integrated with commercial routes with extensions.
The existing 62 Gloucester to Dursley is commercial, and the extension of which to the likes to Berkeley, Wotton and beyond will either be subsidised, with the long term aim of making these routes commercial
The existing 62 Gloucester to Dursley is commercial, and the extension of which to the likes to Berkeley, Wotton and beyond will either be subsidised, with the long term aim of making these routes commercial
MATTWILLIS2016
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I have spoken to a friend this afternoon at SC West and he has confirmed that the BELLES EXPRESS will cease operation on 4th September if that date is correct.
There will be a new X62 service introduced, which will replace the 88 service.
I understand it will run from Gloucester to Dursley , then via the route that the 88 runs now. Whether it will be limited stop I am not entirely sure. This will be confirmed soon I would imagine.
Also, the 113 service to and from Arlingham has been noticed to be withdrawn from that same date, so it is possible (only possible until confirmed) that the Arlingham connection will be added into the new X62 service.
This is only a guess.
If this happens, then it will be a slight recreation of the old Badgerline route from many years ago when it was known as the 307/308.
Whether the 62 service will be changed is not yet known.
4th September is a Sunday and the first date of the new timetable as the Stagecoach week starts on a Sunday. If the above information is correct the last Belles Express and 113 services will be Saturday 3rd September.
X62 Will incorporate some of the 60 route
There will be a new X62 service introduced, which will replace the 88 service.
I understand it will run from Gloucester to Dursley , then via the route that the 88 runs now. Whether it will be limited stop I am not entirely sure. This will be confirmed soon I would imagine.
Also, the 113 service to and from Arlingham has been noticed to be withdrawn from that same date, so it is possible (only possible until confirmed) that the Arlingham connection will be added into the new X62 service.
This is only a guess.
If this happens, then it will be a slight recreation of the old Badgerline route from many years ago when it was known as the 307/308.
Whether the 62 service will be changed is not yet known.
4th September is a Sunday and the first date of the new timetable as the Stagecoach week starts on a Sunday. If the above information is correct the last Belles Express and 113 services will be Saturday 3rd September.
X62 Will incorporate some of the 60 route
Stroud has 4 new acquisitions starting 4th September.
28/29 Will be merged, One will service Minchampton and then down to Tetbury and another will service Nailsworth, Both service will end in Tetbury.
Stroud also has 3 routes in South Gloucestershire. Yate-Bath, Yate-Kingswood, There is one more but i cant remember it off the top of my head but will check tomorrow when im back in Work.
28/29 Will be merged, One will service Minchampton and then down to Tetbury and another will service Nailsworth, Both service will end in Tetbury.
Stroud also has 3 routes in South Gloucestershire. Yate-Bath, Yate-Kingswood, There is one more but i cant remember it off the top of my head but will check tomorrow when im back in Work.
MATTWILLIS2016
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BREAKING NEWS FROM THE WEST OPS MANAGER
Stroud has lost the following routes ,60 , 62, 502 , 505 ,506. Stroud has won the following ,28,29 84 ,85 and the 620 . 66s are also going Gold with secondhand E300 from South and 63s with E400 from Cheltenham .63s to go gold after the november Paddy Power Gold cup. This information is from the notice board at Stroud .
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Gloucester to do the 60, 62 and X62
Must mean the MMC delivery is on track
Stroud has lost the following routes ,60 , 62, 502 , 505 ,506. Stroud has won the following ,28,29 84 ,85 and the 620 . 66s are also going Gold with secondhand E300 from South and 63s with E400 from Cheltenham .63s to go gold after the november Paddy Power Gold cup. This information is from the notice board at Stroud .
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Gloucester to do the 60, 62 and X62
Must mean the MMC delivery is on track
Unless things have massively changed, it will be 2017 before Gold E400MMCs start appearing at West.
And given that South aren't replacing any Gold E300s this year, I fail to see how they will make it away from their current home.
And given that South aren't replacing any Gold E300s this year, I fail to see how they will make it away from their current home.
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Does Aldershot not have Gold E300s due for replacement in 16/17?
MATTWILLIS2016
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STAGECOACH WEST CHANGES IN FULL
Stroud has lost the following routes ,60 , 62, 502 , 505 ,506. Stroud has won the following ,28,29 84 ,85 (from Cotswold Green) and the 620 (from Wessex) .
66 services are also going Gold with secondhand E300 11 plate ADL's from South and 63 services with E400 from Cheltenham .63s to go gold with the current 94 fleet after overhaul after the november Paddy Power Gold cup.
The 11 plate ADL E300's will be moving to Stroud, whilst the current Gold fleet of 94 vehicles will be split between Gloucester and Stroud.
The 14 plates will also move to Stroud for the 63 service and will be rebranded.
Gloucester to do the 60, 62 (both will go Gold with part of the current E400 fleet) and new X62 so no massive change there.
New X62 service to link Gloucester and Bristol in place of the 113 and 88 which will cease operation on 4th September along with the Belles Express.
Understand it will be run limited stop between Gloucester and Dursley then head out to Arlingham, Berkeley and into Bristol along the current 88 service route.
The MMC's will be here before the race meeting in November THIS YEAR and will also be in Gold spec.
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This has all come directly from the west ops manager and crew
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Most changes will take place in September whilst the Gold changes will not take effect until November. But all will happen this year.
Stroud has lost the following routes ,60 , 62, 502 , 505 ,506. Stroud has won the following ,28,29 84 ,85 (from Cotswold Green) and the 620 (from Wessex) .
66 services are also going Gold with secondhand E300 11 plate ADL's from South and 63 services with E400 from Cheltenham .63s to go gold with the current 94 fleet after overhaul after the november Paddy Power Gold cup.
The 11 plate ADL E300's will be moving to Stroud, whilst the current Gold fleet of 94 vehicles will be split between Gloucester and Stroud.
The 14 plates will also move to Stroud for the 63 service and will be rebranded.
Gloucester to do the 60, 62 (both will go Gold with part of the current E400 fleet) and new X62 so no massive change there.
New X62 service to link Gloucester and Bristol in place of the 113 and 88 which will cease operation on 4th September along with the Belles Express.
Understand it will be run limited stop between Gloucester and Dursley then head out to Arlingham, Berkeley and into Bristol along the current 88 service route.
The MMC's will be here before the race meeting in November THIS YEAR and will also be in Gold spec.
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This has all come directly from the west ops manager and crew
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Most changes will take place in September whilst the Gold changes will not take effect until November. But all will happen this year.
84 is ex Wessex. I dont know what the 85 is but if it's meant to be 86 then thats ex Wessex as well.
If this is happening then C&G would have a lot of Gold services (and two Gold 66s!) and, with Gloucester's tendancy to chuck Gold deckers on random town services, it'll begin to feel like the standard service with everybody else wondering whey they have to put up with 'low class' buses.
The X62 appears to be very weird. A fast facility to Dursley, lots of messing around (A double run to Arlingham!) then fast to Bristol with a total time that could be double the train journey.
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With stagecoach winning a lot of new routes, does this mean RIP Cotswold Green???
Going on the above Stagecoach have only won two Cotswold Green routes, CG still have others that havent been deregistered. We've lost too many independants recently to start wanting to wish any more away.
TheGrandWazoo
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I've not done it for a couple of years (when it was the 224) but the impression was that it wasn't for end to end journeys to Dursley simply because the train has that time advantage.
Most passengers IIRC were Bristol to Berkeley plus picked up a couple from Berkeley into Dursley. I think I was the only one who did the full run!
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timetable for the new 62/62X online http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...&itdLPxx_spTr=2&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB
appears that the 62X sort of replaces the bells express by having a call at the park and ride site and waterwells business park
looks like the 60 will go hand in hand with the 62 to continue providing an hourly service between dursley and gloucester, but no news on this yet
appears that the 62X sort of replaces the bells express by having a call at the park and ride site and waterwells business park
looks like the 60 will go hand in hand with the 62 to continue providing an hourly service between dursley and gloucester, but no news on this yet
That makes a lot more sense, basically a better way of running the 88. No diversions to Arlingham or fast running to Dursley.
DaveHarries
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I have heard that, in addition to the 81 (Yate to Kingswood) and 620 (Yate - Bath) routes, Stagecoach have got the 84 & 86. I can't see how they will diagram it all: one would have thought an outstation somewhere near Yate would be an idea.
Dave
Still don't believe all the timescales and vehicles involved.
I've already covered the E400MMC issue, and unless there's been a serious shakeup in the delivery order (which is unlikely as West is all DDA compliant), then it will not be November when deliveries occur.
South only have 3 Gold ADL E300s, and only two of those are 11 plate. There's also the timescale issue with their replacements. Majority of South's Gold fleet is 58 plate MAN E300s.
I've already covered the E400MMC issue, and unless there's been a serious shakeup in the delivery order (which is unlikely as West is all DDA compliant), then it will not be November when deliveries occur.
South only have 3 Gold ADL E300s, and only two of those are 11 plate. There's also the timescale issue with their replacements. Majority of South's Gold fleet is 58 plate MAN E300s.
MATTWILLIS2016
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We get all our info direct from the manager himself on our FB group.
So everything posted is correct.
Haven't spoken to Rob at Cotswold Green yet. I know he has had a lot of issues with his vehicles. Not sure what his current state of play is.
2 hours from Gloucester to Bristol though when you can be there in 40 mins from Cheltenham or Gloucester.
Plus changing vehicles too , unless its same vehicle. I'll try and get that confirmed tonight.
Will know by end of this month the transfer plan.
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Stagecoach have already sorted an outstation at Yate.
Unsure where.
Plus hearing from a friend inside Wessex that they are close to striking a deal with a company in Bath to have vehicles there
So everything posted is correct.
Haven't spoken to Rob at Cotswold Green yet. I know he has had a lot of issues with his vehicles. Not sure what his current state of play is.
2 hours from Gloucester to Bristol though when you can be there in 40 mins from Cheltenham or Gloucester.
Plus changing vehicles too , unless its same vehicle. I'll try and get that confirmed tonight.
Will know by end of this month the transfer plan.
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Stagecoach have already sorted an outstation at Yate.
Unsure where.
Plus hearing from a friend inside Wessex that they are close to striking a deal with a company in Bath to have vehicles there
DaveHarries
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Good move to outstation at Yate. Surprised at the Bath storage facility though: the routes Stagecoach have (I hear) picked up all run through or near Yate so I would be surprised if that was needed.
Dave
MATTWILLIS2016
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Dont know why Dave. We will get more details when the ops manager posts to us.
Known him for 16 years (I'm only 30)
Got a lot of friends inside stagecoach / marchants / pulhams / eagle line / first so I do tend to get info a long time before made public.
Known him for 16 years (I'm only 30)
Got a lot of friends inside stagecoach / marchants / pulhams / eagle line / first so I do tend to get info a long time before made public.
If your info is that good, I would be asking for fleetnumbers then...because at the moment none of this adds up and you're not addressing any of the points I'm making.
I'd be willing to accept that delivery dates may have changed, but it's just not possible for South to be sending vehicles that don't exist!
I'd be willing to accept that delivery dates may have changed, but it's just not possible for South to be sending vehicles that don't exist!
TheGrandWazoo
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I'd be surprised if they have two outstations as one should be plenty.
Surprised that First didn't look to go low to secure these. However, looking at the 81/2 times on First's leaflets, says the 81 is only supported south of UWE and 82 every other journey except Sunday. So wonder what the tenders actually looked like?
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DaveHarries
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Someone I was talking to on Facebook earlier said he understands Stagecoach West have picked up the 81 from First, as well as the 84, 86 & 620 from Wessex Connect. He initially said 81, 82, 84 & 620 but changed 82 for 86.
Dave
Surely the statement 'Plus hearing from a friend inside Wessex that they are close to striking a deal with a company in Bath to have vehicles there' is saying that Wessex are using somewhere in Bath to base a few vehicles which is all thats going to be left of their keynsham allocation after these changes?
TheGrandWazoo
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You're probably right. I got confused with it being in the Stagecoach thread.
Perhaps they could find a site on the Lower Bristol Road
Perhaps they could find a site on the Lower Bristol Road
£16 a day, with free bus trip to Bath! (However not available overnight).
http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/parking-and-travel/coach-parking
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