Stagecoach West/South West/South Wales - Fleet News & Discussion

carlberry said:

£16 a day, with free bus trip to Bath! (However not available overnight).

http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/parking-and-travel/coach-parking

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I was thinking the old WC depot near the Royal Oak. Didn't know there was coach parking at First's depot.

TheGrandWazoo said:

I was thinking the old WC depot near the Royal Oak. Didn't know there was coach parking at First's depot.

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There has been since BANES 'improved' the facilities at the old coach park. (Coach passengers arnt the kind or riff raff that they want in Bath anyway!).

When I find out I will let you know.
Info is accurate seeing as its coming directly from the ops manager!

We'll find out soon.

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

Info is accurate seeing as its coming directly from the ops manager!

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Dangerous to assume that. A lot of the 'information' Ops Managers have (and which depot is your contact at btw?) is very vague until near the time as plans can and do change.

Then you can add in the possibility that they've misinterpreted what has been passed on, or got sucked into the rumour mill. And sadly there's a noticible minority of staff who will feed enthusiasts deliberately false info to see what reaction they get...

Info comes direct from the operations manager who looks after chelt, glos, cotswolds and swindon. And have known him for 20 years and a good friend so I'd say pretty accurate!
We are all together for the open day at west ham next sat so I'll see what I can find out.

If it wasn't decent info I wouldn't post it!

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

Info comes direct from the operations manager who looks after chelt, glos, cotswolds and swindon. And have known him for 20 years and a good friend so I'd say pretty accurate!
We are all together for the open day at west ham next sat so I'll see what I can find out.

If it wasn't decent info I wouldn't post it!

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Maybe you should ask him what he actually does then, as each of these areas has there own Operations Manager?

It could just be a misunderstanding regarding the term "end of the year", which in Stagecoach business terms is April 2017, but someone may have interpreted as Dec 2016?

Stan Drews said:

It could just be a misunderstanding regarding the term "end of the year", which in Stagecoach business terms is April 2017, but someone may have interpreted as Dec 2016?

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I'd be inclined to agree with that - but in which case, why mention the Gold Cup in November?

Also doesn't explain the non-existent Gold ADLs mentioned...

All changes will be done by end of November.
Everything has been confirmed.
He is the operations manager. In other words oversees all the changes that happens within his area.
Chelt has its own ops manager but he liases with James, and he deals with Gloucester, Cotswolds and wye and dean.
I'd rather believe him than others who have heard other things from other sources.
At least our info is posted on our group exclusively by the guys andthey always give us behind the scenes photos and information.
So I wud rather believe the people I have known for many years.

You can believe what you want to believe. But if I wasn't allowed to post any of this I wouldn't be!

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

At least our info is posted on our group exclusively by the guys andthey always give us behind the scenes photos and information.

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Care to share the link?

I'm sorry Matt but there are just so many inconsistencies in what you're posting, both against itself and my sources. Plus you've only just joined, so please understand why we (I) are so skeptical.

well considering my sources are company execs... I understand what you're saying.
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BELLES EXPRESS will cease operation on 4th September if that date is correct.
There will be a new X62 service introduced, which will replace the 88 service.
I understand it will run from Gloucester to Dursley , then via the route that the 88 runs now. Whether it will be limited stop I am not entirely sure. This will be confirmed soon I would imagine.
Also, the 113 service to and from Arlingham has been noticed to be withdrawn from that same date, so it is possible (only possible until confirmed) that the Arlingham connection will be added into the new X62 service.
This is only a guess.
If this happens, then it will be a slight recreation of the old Badgerline route from many years ago when it was known as the 307/308.
Whether the 62 service will be changed is not yet known.

Rhys Creighton (Stroud driver)
X62 Will incorporate some of the 60 route as well i believe.
Also Stroud has acquired 28 and 29s aswell as 3 routes for Yate. will get Route numbers tomorrow when im back at work. Also I think its 84/s/85's

Ben Coulson (Driver and mechanic) 4th September is a Sunday and the first date of the new timetable as the Stagecoach week starts on a Sunday. If the above information is correct the last Belles Express and 113 services will be Saturday 3rd September. I might have to organise a trip on the last 113 with a musical send-off

David Stanton (Stroud chief mechanic / assistant depot operations)
Stroud has lost the following routes ,60 , 62, 502 , 505 ,506. Stroud has won the following ,28,29 84 ,85 and the 620 . 66s are also going Gold with secondhand E300 from South and 63s with E400 from Cheltenham .63s to go gold after the november Paddy Power Gold cup. This information is from the notice board at Stroud.
Knew this months ago so old news to me as I'm one of a few going to fetch the vehicles for the change! Gold buses will only go on to the 66s when we get them from south

James Williams (Operations Manager, West)
62s and 88s and 60s plus the 201 all to be combined.
MMC's will be here BEFORE the November race meeting!

link here for thread if it can be read as group is closed but main points are copied as above
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1714422935506043/permalink/1775009049447431/


As for Cotswold Green closing down, this from Rob :

No! Many contracts are expiring at the beginning of September and so we deregister as a matter of course. Should we be successful in retaining any of these contracts, we will register them as new services. We don't like using the short notice facility!
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MATTWILLIS2016 said:

well considering my sources are company execs... I understand what you're saying.
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BELLES EXPRESS will cease operation on 4th September if that date is correct.
There will be a new X62 service introduced, which will replace the 88 service.
I understand it will run from Gloucester to Dursley , then via the route that the 88 runs now. Whether it will be limited stop I am not entirely sure. This will be confirmed soon I would imagine.
Also, the 113 service to and from Arlingham has been noticed to be withdrawn from that same date, so it is possible (only possible until confirmed) that the Arlingham connection will be added into the new X62 service.
This is only a guess.
If this happens, then it will be a slight recreation of the old Badgerline route from many years ago when it was known as the 307/308.
Whether the 62 service will be changed is not yet known.


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The new 62/X62 timetables are already on Travline and dosent go to Arlingham. The X62 is one journey that misses out a few places compared to the standard 62 that runs Bristol-Gloucester (Or dosent if you asking about driving regs!).

carlberry said:

The X62 is one journey that misses out a few places compared to the standard 62 that runs Bristol-Gloucester (Or dosent if you asking about driving regs!).

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And according to the Traveline map (but not the list of stops in the timetable - odd) the X62 also goes via UWE, MOD and Filton.

I'll find out!

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

66s are also going Gold with secondhand E300 from South

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If this is the Stroud - Gloucester route I would be surprised if Enviro300s would be viable on this route. I know it is busy at least until you get to the edge of Gloucester but saying that I don't know what passenger numbers are like through to Stroud.

Dave

Colly405 said:

And according to the Traveline map (but not the list of stops in the timetable - odd) the X62 also goes via UWE, MOD and Filton.

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Indeed, this is what was confusing me the most!

Services will NOT be going anywhere near the UWE or MOD Filton.

I made the poor decision to get the 13 from Newton Abbot to Brixham today. It must be a contender for 'Most housing estates stopped at' award.

I was pretty much the only passenger on it for two hours. Atleast it was cool on top!

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/servi...rticle?SituationId=ID-21/07/2016-14:40:52:167

From 4th September there will be changes to bus times on many services in and around Stroud and Dursley.



60: Thornbury & Dursley to Gloucester

62: Bristol & Dursley to Gloucester

X62: Gloucester to Bristol

(Incorporating journeys previously run as Services 60, 62, 88 and Belles Express)

- All journeys will run to and from Gloucester city centre via A38 Hardwicke bypass, Waterwells Drive (for Hunts Grove), A38 Quedgeley bypass and Bristol Rd

- Most journeys on Service 60 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Gloucester

- Most journeys on Service 62 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Bristol via Berkeley

- Peak time journeys will run as Service X62 via Aztec West, MoD Abbeywood and UWE



61: Dursley & Stroud to Cheltenham

- New route via Thirlestain Rd, College Lawn and Sandford Rd to serve Cheltenham Hospital

- New route beyond Dursley Bus Station to serve Woodmancote estate

- All journeys retimed to improve punctuality

- Stroud schoolday journey via Uley will now run as Service 65

- Journeys running as Service 61A will now run as Service 61 and will not serve Cam & Dursley Station

- Saturday evening journeys after 1830 withdrawn due to poor patronage



63: Nailsworth & Stroud to Gloucester

- Timetable revised throughout, particularly during early mornings and evenings, to improve punctuality

- Most Sunday journeys will start from or continue beyond Stroud to Nailsworth



64: Bussage to Stroud & Stonehouse

- Most daytime retimed to improve punctuality

- 0703 from Stonehouse to Stroud will no longer run (a bus on Service 61 departs Globe Inn at 0705)

- 1805 from Stonehouse to Stroud on weekdays will no longer run (a bus on Service 66E will run at 1801)

- 1826 from Bussage will run only as far as Bowbridge, not Stroud

- 1905 from Stroud to Bussage will depart at 1935 and run approximately 30 minutes later throughout



65: Dursley & Uley to Stroud (previously Service 35)

- All journeys retimed to improve punctuality

- New peak-time journeys to and from Stroud schools, replacing a journey previously run via Cambridge as Service 61

- Woodmancote estate now served every hour by Service 61

- Saturday service withdrawn due to changes in funding from Gloucestershire County Council



66: Stroud & Kingsway to Gloucester

- Revised timetable throughout to improve punctuality

- Buses will at an even 15 minute frequency between Waterwells P&R and the city centre

- All journeys will run via Rudloe Drive and Thatcham Avenue or Valley Gardens in Kingsway

- Journeys on Service 66Q will run via Newhaven Rd and Woodvale between Waterwells P&R and Matalan

- Journeys on Service 66F will now run direct from Pilot Inn via Field Court Drive to Waterwells P&R



67: Cashes Green to Stroud

- Evening journeys after 1900 will no longer run due to poor patronage

- Minor timing changes to early morning journeys on Saturdays



69: Tetbury & Minchinhampton to Stroud (previously Services 28 & 29)

- New service, approximately 2-hourly, supported by Gloucestershire County Council

- Stagecoach network tickets will be available for connections and longer journeys

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208463716704921&set=gm.1778613932420276&type=3&theater

From 4th September, service 62 will run on a new route in and around Gloucester.
Buses will run from Cross Keys roundabout, Hardwicke via the A38 to Waterwells Drive, stopping at the Marconi roundabout for Hunts Grove.
Returning to the A38 Quedgeley bypass towards Cole Avenue, , the service will continue into Gloucester via Bristol Road.

Current stops in Quedgeley on Bristol Road and on Stroud Road in Linden and Tredworth will no longer be on this route.
Journeys may still be made to and from Quedgeley and Hardwicke on services 12 and 66, and along Stroud Road on services 9 and 63.

All bus stops on the new line of route will be served.
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SERVICE 61 TIMETABLE FROM 4TH SEPT:
http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICES 62/X62

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICE 60

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

63/63A

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICE 64

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICE 65

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICES 66E/F/S

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICE 67

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/XSLT...=EFA04_57020190&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=GB

SERVICE 69 TIMETABLE NOT YET AVAILABLE
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Gloucester and Forest of Dean Service Changes from Sunday 4th September 2016
1: Matson to city centre
- Minor changes to times at Melick Close and Caledonian Rd to improve punctuality
- New Sundays journeys departing city centre at 0830, 1940 and 2020

7: Finlay Road & Tredworth to city centre
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality
- Due to poor patronage the 0622 journey on Saturdays will no longer run

8: Brockworth & Cooper’s Edge to city centre
- Evening journeys will run earlier throughout, departing the city centre at 35 minutes past each hour
- Due to poor patronage the 0623 journey from Brockworth on Saturdays will no longer run
- A new later journey will run on Sundays, departing the city centre at 1845

9: Tuffley to city centre
- Revised timetable throughout to improve punctuality
- Evening journeys will now run hourly, departing the city centre at 2015, 2115, 2215 and 2320

10: Lower Tuffley to Cheltenham
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality

12: Quedgeley to city centre
- Revised timetable throughout to improve punctuality
- Extra weekday early morning buses will run from the city centre to Quedgeley to meet increased demand
- Buses will run every 10 minutes on weekdays and every 12 minutes on Saturdays
- Evening journeys departing the city centre after 1900 will leave from Clarence Street, not Eastgate Street

23: Coleford & Lydney to Gloucester
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality
- The last bus from Gloucester on Mondays to Saturdays will depart at 1810 and extend to Coleford
- 0803 from Coleford to Gloucester on Saturdays will no longer run

24: Lydbrook & Joy’s Green to Gloucester
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality
- Saturday journey at 1545 from Joy’s Green to Gloucester will no longer run

30/31: Coleford & Cinderford to Gloucester
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality
- 0605 from Cinderford to Gloucester on Mondays to Fridays will no longer run

32: Ross-on-Wye & Newent to Gloucester
132: Ledbury & Newent to Gloucester
- Weekday 0630 from Gloucester will depart at 0615 and run as far as Newent only
- Weekday 0800 from Gloucester will depart at 0755, with extra journey time to Newent
- Weekday 1520 from Gloucester and 1554 return from Newent will no longer run
- Weekday 0729 from Ross-on-Wye to Gloucester will no longer run
- Weekday 0739 from Ledbury will depart at 0719, arriving in Gloucester at 0834
- A new weekday journey will depart Newent for Gloucester at 0834
- Monday to Saturday 2040 from Ross-on-Wye and 2140 return from Gloucester will no longer run

33: Hereford & Ross-on-Wye to Gloucester
- Due to poor patronage, the 0558 weekday journey from Ross-on-Wye to Longhope will no longer run

35: Ross to Monmouth
- Every 2-3 hours, Mondays to Saturdays, operated under contract to Gloucestershire County Council

60: Thornbury & Dursley to Gloucester
62: Bristol & Dursley to Gloucester
X62: Gloucester to Bristol
(Incorporating journeys previously run as Services 60, 62, 88 and Belles Express)
- All journeys will run to and from Gloucester city centre via A38 Hardwicke bypass, Waterwells Drive (for Hunts Grove), A38 Quedgeley bypass and Bristol Rd
- Most journeys on Service 60 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Thornbury via Wotton-Under-Edge
- Most journeys on Service 62 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Bristol via Berkeley
- Peak time journeys will run as Service X62 via Aztec West, MoD Abbeywood and UWE

63: Nailsworth & Stroud to Gloucester
- Timetable revised throughout, particularly during early mornings and evenings, to improve punctuality
- Most Sunday journeys will start from or continue beyond Stroud to Nailsworth

66: Stroud & Kingsway to Gloucester
- Revised timetable throughout to improve punctuality
- Buses will at an even 15 minute frequency between Waterwells P&R and the city centre
- All journeys will run via Rudloe Drive and Thatcham Avenue or Valley Gardens in Kingsway
- Journeys on Service 66Q will run via Newhaven Rd and Woodvale between Waterwells P&R and Matalan
- Journeys on Service 66F will now run direct from Pilot Inn via Field Court Drive to Waterwells P&R

71: Gloucester to Tewkesbury
- New weekday early morning journeys will run at 0600 from Gloucester and 0638 from Tewkesbury
- Extra weekday afternoon journeys will run - buses leave Gloucester at 1600, 1650, 1735 and 1815; and Tewkesbury at 1643, 1733, 1813 and 1853

97/98: Cheltenham & Churchdown to Gloucester
- Minor timetable changes throughout to improve punctuality
- 0632 from Churchdown to Gloucester on weekdays will depart at 0623 and run 9 mins earlier throughout
- 0618 from Gloucester on Saturdays will no longer run
- 0645 from Churchdown and 0709 from Cheltenham on Saturdays will run as one journey departing Cheltenham at 0650

113: Arlingham & Frampton-On-Severn to Gloucester
- This service will no longer run following a withdrawal of funding from Gloucestershire County Council

860: Abbeymead to Ribston Hall & Crypt Schools
862: Quedgeley to Ribston Hall & Crypt Schools
- These services will cease at the end of the Summer Term, July 2016.

Belles Express: Gloucester to Bristol
- This service will no longer run as an express coach service
- Peak journeys will run as new service X62 from Gloucester via Lower Cam and Falfield to Bristol
- Daytime journeys will run as service 62 from Gloucester via Cam, Dursley, Berkeley and Falfield to Bristol

Please note there are no changes to Services 2, 6, 13, 94/94U/94X/N94 or school day services 804 and 805

Matt - I'm confused, on the one hand you say (my bold)

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

60: Thornbury & Dursley to Gloucester
62: Bristol & Dursley to Gloucester
X62: Gloucester to Bristol
(Incorporating journeys previously run as Services 60, 62, 88 and Belles Express)
- All journeys will run to and from Gloucester city centre via A38 Hardwicke bypass, Waterwells Drive (for Hunts Grove), A38 Quedgeley bypass and Bristol Rd
- Most journeys on Service 60 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Thornbury via Wotton-Under-Edge
- Most journeys on Service 62 will start from or continue beyond Dursley to Bristol via Berkeley
- Peak time journeys will run as Service X62 via Aztec West, MoD Abbeywood and UWE

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But then earlier you said

Services will NOT be going anywhere near the UWE or MOD Filton.

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Which is right?
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And the S Glos changes from 4th Sept are also on the Stagecoach website...

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/servi...rticle?SituationId=ID-21/07/2016-15:12:00:091

84: Wotton-Under-Edge to Yate (clockwise via Wickwar, Charfield, Hillesley and Horton)
85: Wotton-Under-Edge to Yate (anti-clockwise via Horton, Hillesley, Charfiled and Wickwar)
- Each service every 90 minutes (combining to every 45 minutes between Wooton-Under-Edge and Yate)

86: Yate to Kingswood & Longwell Green
- Every 2 hours, Monday to Saturday datime

620: Old Sodbury & Yate to Bath
- Every 2-3 hours, Monday to Saturday daytime

627: Thornbury to Cribbs Causeway
628: Severn Beach to Cribbs Causeway
- Sunday services, 3 round trips on each route

Colly405 said:

Matt - I'm confused, on the one hand you say (my bold)



But then earlier you said



Which is right?
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And the S Glos changes from 4th Sept are also on the Stagecoach website...

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/servi...rticle?SituationId=ID-21/07/2016-15:12:00:091

84: Wotton-Under-Edge to Yate (clockwise via Wickwar, Charfield, Hillesley and Horton)
85: Wotton-Under-Edge to Yate (anti-clockwise via Horton, Hillesley, Charfiled and Wickwar)
- Each service every 90 minutes (combining to every 45 minutes between Wooton-Under-Edge and Yate)

86: Yate to Kingswood & Longwell Green
- Every 2 hours, Monday to Saturday datime

620: Old Sodbury & Yate to Bath
- Every 2-3 hours, Monday to Saturday daytime

627: Thornbury to Cribbs Causeway
628: Severn Beach to Cribbs Causeway
- Sunday services, 3 round trips on each route

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In the days of bus service cuts how can the thornbury to cribbs causeway service and seven beach to cribbs causeway warrant a Sunday service when you have towns in some areas that get no busses at all on a sunday

matt_splat said:

In the days of bus service cuts how can the thornbury to cribbs causeway service and seven beach to cribbs causeway warrant a Sunday service when you have towns in some areas that get no busses at all on a sunday

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Which towns in South Gloucestershire dont have buses on a Sunday ?

Everything I posted is all copied directly from the service updates page!

MATTWILLIS2016 said:

Everything I posted is all copied directly from the service updates page!

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I think he was probably referring to the contradictory information you posted previously from your "source", rather than your copy and pasting skills.

Stan Drews said:

I think he was probably referring to the contradictory information you posted previously from your "source", rather than your copy and pasting skills.

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Indeed - i was simply confused over whether the UWE and MOD part of the route is being served or not as both options had been posted by Matt, that's all...

Hi,
Exmouth based Trident 17736 found itself used on the X38 Devon City's Dash
Exeter- Plymouth route today in place of an E400.
This lovely old 52 plate made light of it's years and gave a spirited run along the South Devon Expressway, luckily I enjoyed it from Ashburton into Exeter.
Trident 18079 was the Plymouth car whilst Man 24150 was on the second Exeter turn.
Cheers, Mike R

According to a post on the First Bus RailUK Forum page, Stagecoach registrations also up for 84, 85, 86, 620, 627, 628. 620 shows as going Bath-Old Sodbury-Tetbury.

If the 620 is true, which when combined with the new 69, does this mean Stagecoach have got the old Stroud-Tetbury-Yate-Bath route back again?

Interesting to note the new numbers given out in Stroud. No service for new 68 - could this possibly be held back for when Stagecoach could possibly take over service 8 from Cotswold Green in the future?

If Stagecoach also get service 40 in the future, this will make them a dominant force in South Gloucestershire.

Seems mad that just a few years ago, Stagecoach were a minor bus service in Dursley. Now they are the sole bus provider, and have significant links to Thornbury, Wotton, Yate and Tetbury, which haven't been seen in years.

Stroud Valleys said:

According to a post on the First Bus RailUK Forum page, Stagecoach registrations also up for 84, 85, 86, 620, 627, 628. 620 shows as going Bath-Old Sodbury-Tetbury.

If the 620 is true, which when combined with the new 69, does this mean Stagecoach have got the old Stroud-Tetbury-Yate-Bath route back again?

Interesting to note the new numbers given out in Stroud. No service for new 68 - could this possibly be held back for when Stagecoach could possibly take over service 8 from Cotswold Green in the future?

If Stagecoach also get service 40 in the future, this will make them a dominant force in South Gloucestershire.

Seems mad that just a few years ago, Stagecoach were a minor bus service in Dursley. Now they are the sole bus provider, and have significant links to Thornbury, Wotton, Yate and Tetbury, which haven't been seen in years.

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All of this is detailed further up the thread - not sure how you've missed it? Been on holiday??

I wouldn't exactly agree that Stagecoach were the minor operator in Dursley. They had the main route to Gloucester and the next biggest service to Stonehouse. However, fair to say that they've now cleaned up and expanded southwards

Does anyone think Stagecoach, with their move southwards, could become serious competition against First in Bristol in the near future?

Rich McLean said:

Does anyone think Stagecoach, with their move southwards, could become serious competition against First in Bristol in the near future?

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I suspect not unless the Metrobus scheme is awarded under some form of competitive tender franchise (which, to be honest, they wouldn't need these tender wins anyway). The Greater Bristol area is very tightly operated by First and they've done a lot to reduce the level of tendered operation anyway by registering a lot of work anyway in the last couple of years and undermining Rotala

If I were First, I'd be more worried about incursion from the East if Stagecoach either purchased Faresaver or decided that they wished to compete against them