SpacePhoenix
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Are all the 11 car trains the same formation or do they have different combinations of coaches depending on if they were built as 11 car or have been extended at different times?
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They are identical.
I don't know. Only 4 sets were built as 11 car, as part of the lengthening order.
My solution to increase train length would be to split the 21 x 9 car units into 7 x 5 car and 14 x 11 car. Cross Country could be forced by DfT to cascade 7 x 5 car Voyagers and the tilting equipment would be re installed. 7 IEPs could be ordered for Cross Country or EMT, if they cascaded 7 Meridians to Cross Country. Further orders of Pendalinos are not allowed due to new safety rules and a new design is needless spending.
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Why? Whats the point of a 5 car, you want a uniform fleet of the same length as much as possible not another mish mash.
SpacePhoenix
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Which regs does the UK Pendolino design now fall foul of?
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I assume the OP meant the 7 5-car Pendos to couple up with the 7 extra Voyagers from XC - though I'm not sure that's technically possible.
They can couple and work together, though I'm not sure it's allowed in revenue service. There's a video on YouTube of a Voyager dragging Pendolino.
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Mechanical only and for rescue purposes only.
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The Pendolino stock can't be reconfigured in those formations, due to the incredibly complicated way the units use multiple transformers (powered by a 25kV bus).
11 car units need a third transformer, to obtain that, it means removing the second transformer from a 9 car unit, limiting it in length to 4 cars (each transformer can power 4.5 vehicles) which in turn results in 21 vehicles being unusable (a Pendolino set with a single transformer can't be 7 vehicles in length).
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Cab crash structure, apparently.
Ironic considering one has been crashed and it stood up superbly. The design is done, apparently and ready to go, just needs orders to be placed.
SpacePhoenix
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Only thing I can think of is maybe the design no longer has enough crash structure between the very front of the train and where the driver sits
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And reached 102mph if my memory serves me well. Go Voyager!!
Adds 35 cars of tilting stock without having to design new units.
No, the 5 car Pendalinos would be used on their own or together. The cascaded Voyagers with other Voyagers.
Couldnt they be adapted so one transformer could stretch from 4.5 to 5?
I think you're searching for a solution to a problem that needn't exist! Or a solution that would be extortionately expensive to expedite for reasons that have been explained to you.
I'm sure the bidders for the next ICWC franchise will come up with something more affordable in their tender submissions in terms of rolling stock upgrades. At least I hope so ....
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