Trivia: Railway Stations that are next to each other but have no direct services?

Kite159 · 17 Aug 2016

Kemsley to Newington

(One early morning service from Gillingham calls at both on route to Sheerness, but nothing going the other way (I think))

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najaB · 18 Aug 2016

Kite159 said:
Kemsley to Newington

(One early morning service from Gillingham calls at both on route to Sheerness, but nothing going the other way (I think))

Interesting, but as per the OP there has to be no service at all between the two stations.

Jack Hay · 18 Aug 2016

One not yet mentioned but valid according to certain interpretations of the question... Chinley to Navigation Road. There is a direct line between them but part of it is freight-only. Would it make a useful service to anyone? Yes, there is a known traffic flow between North Wales/Chester/Mid Cheshire and Sheffield and beyond, so this service if it existed would allow those journeys to be done by a shorter route avoiding Manchester or Stockport.

Whilst I think of it, isn't Chinley and Hazel Grove another example now that the 1725 Piccadilly-Chinley via Hazel Grove has stopped running? And that is not a freight line.

randyrippley · 19 Aug 2016

Oxenholme and Carnforth

ValleyLines142 · 19 Aug 2016

NoMorePacers said:
Polesworth - Atherstone

Coleshill Parkway - Wilnecote

Ulceby - Barnetby

Clapham High Street - Elephant & Castle

Wandsworth Road - Kensington Olympia

Farningham Road - Ashford International

Keynsham - Lawrence Hill

Cheltenham Spa - Cam & Dursley avoiding Gloucester

Dalston/Penrith - Wetheral/Armathwaite

Chesterfield - Swinton/Woodhouse via Barrow Hill

Langley Mill - Attenborough/Kirkby-in-Ashfield

There are loads of services that go from Lawrence Hill to Keynsham.

plastictaffy · 19 Aug 2016

Andyjs247 said:
A few more from the West Midlands...

Walsall - Wolverhampton (don't think there's anything that runs direct now)
Walsall - Penkridge (via the Grand Junction from Portobello Jn to Bushbury Jn)
Bescot Stadium - Wolverhampton
Bescot Stadium - Penkridge
Bilbrook - Penkridge
Aston - Stechford
Perry Barr - Birmingham New Street
Perry Barr - Smethwick Rolfe Street
Hamstead - Smethwick Rolfe Street

Going via Sutton Park you can also add:

Walsall - Water Orton
Walsall - Birmingham New Street
Walsall - Small Heath
Walsall - King's Norton (via Camp Hill)
Walsall - Bournville (via Camp Hill, Lifford Curve)

And

Water Orton - Small Heath
Water Orton - King's Norton
Water Orton - Bournville
Birmingham New Street - King's Norton
Birmingham New Street - Bournville

Fairly sure my Mrs gets the train to Perry Barr from New Street regularly when she goes to see some friends of ours - it's the Tame Bridge Parkway train I think.

greaterwest · 19 Aug 2016

Outside of peaks, there is no service between Dorking West and Gomshall, though I'm not sure if this really counts.

Runcorn - Frodsham (in that direction)
Denton - Reddish South (in that direction, not sure if already mentioned in this thread)

najaB · 20 Aug 2016

greaterwest said:
Outside of peaks, there is no service between Dorking West and Gomshall, though I'm not sure if this really counts.

Based on the OP, I would say no:

swt class 450 said:
I am just trying to make a list of all railway stations that are next to each other and have a railway line going between them but have no direct train services at all between the two stations despite being next to each other.

onlinespotting · 20 Aug 2016

Andyjs247 said:
A few more from the West Midlands...

Walsall - Wolverhampton (don't think there's anything that runs direct now)
Walsall - Penkridge (via the Grand Junction from Portobello Jn to Bushbury Jn)
Bescot Stadium - Wolverhampton
Bescot Stadium - Penkridge
Bilbrook - Penkridge
Aston - Stechford
Perry Barr - Birmingham New Street
Perry Barr - Smethwick Rolfe Street
Hamstead - Smethwick Rolfe Street

Going via Sutton Park you can also add:

Walsall - Water Orton
Walsall - Birmingham New Street
Walsall - Small Heath
Walsall - King's Norton (via Camp Hill)
Walsall - Bournville (via Camp Hill, Lifford Curve)

And

Water Orton - Small Heath
Water Orton - King's Norton
Water Orton - Bournville
Birmingham New Street - King's Norton
Birmingham New Street - Bournville

Walsall to Wolverhampton is a parliamentary

mlambeuk · 24 Aug 2016

Dunston to Chester le street

Thomas6187 · 24 Aug 2016

Jack Hay said:
Whilst I think of it, isn't Chinley and Hazel Grove another example now that the 1725 Piccadilly-Chinley via Hazel Grove has stopped running? And that is not a freight line.

The 05:46 Manchester Piccadilly-Sheffield and 06:39 Nottingham-Liverpool stop at both Hazel Grove and Chinley.

Esker-pades · 25 Aug 2016

Kite159 said:
Kemsley to Newington

(One early morning service from Gillingham calls at both on route to Sheerness, but nothing going the other way (I think))

True, the peak Sheerness to Victoria and vice versa services run fast Kemsley to Rainham, which is a bit odd.
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DanTrainMan185 said:
There are loads of services that go from Lawrence Hill to Keynsham.

But are there any that use that chord between the two, IE: avoiding Temple Meads?

Mag_seven · 26 Aug 2016

randyrippley said:
Oxenholme and Carnforth

No - see posts #103 and #104

Clansman · 26 Aug 2016

A list of all the Scottish ones I can think of:

Lockerbie to Kirknewton (not exactly near though

)
Slateford to Edinburgh Park or South Gyle
Stevenston to Irivine
Kings Park to Muirend
Springburn to Bishopbriggs
Ashfield to Bishopbriggs
Camelon to Croy
Cumbernauld to Larbert
Stevenston to Irvine
Newton to Uddingston (technically you could do it without changing trains but would involve 2 separate diagrammed services)
Kirkwood to Coatbridge Central
Maryhill to Westerton

thenorthern · 26 Aug 2016

Until the 1980s I think Wrexham General was 2 separate stations known as Wrexham General while the Borderlands Line platform was Wrexham Exchange station which I think would fit the criteria.

Jack Hay · 27 Aug 2016

thenorthern said:
Until the 1980s I think Wrexham General was 2 separate stations known as Wrexham General while the Borderlands Line platform was Wrexham Exchange station which I think would fit the criteria.

You're right about the history but it wouldn't fit the criteria, because Exchange and General stations weren't "on the same line" so there couldn't be a train service between them. There was a junction just north of the stations (still there) such that a train from Bidston could run into either station at Wrexham but it wasn't possible to call at both Exchange and General.

swt class 450 · 30 Aug 2016

Are there any trains that call at both Earlswood and Purley but run via the direct Redhill avoiding line?

Hophead · 30 Aug 2016

swt class 450 said:
Are there any trains that call at both Earlswood and Purley but run via the direct Redhill avoiding line?

No can do: slow line platforms go to Redhill; fast line platforms not been in use for years

swt class 450 · 30 Aug 2016

Hophead said:
No can do: slow line platforms go to Redhill; fast line platforms not been in use for years

But i believe there is a crossover just north of Earlswood from the slow lines to the fast lines?

Hophead · 30 Aug 2016

swt class 450 said:
But i believe there is a crossover just north of Earlswood from the slow lines to the fast lines?

Nope: fast to slow. Slow to fast is south of Earlswood (we're talking up/northbound here). Open Train times has a map which will clarify.

swt class 450 · 31 Aug 2016

Hophead said:
Nope: fast to slow. Slow to fast is south of Earlswood (we're talking up/northbound here). Open Train times has a map which will clarify.

Ok. Thanks for the info. I didnt realise that.

rratgerg · 2 Sep 2016

Would it be interesting to restrict the pairs of stations to those that other passenger services pass through (without stopping)?

This allows examples like Lockerbie but removes some of the stranger examples given.

Jona26 · 5 Sep 2016

Birkdale to Meols Cop.

Also, would James Street to Moorfields (Northern Line) via the stock transfer line count, rather than the direct Wirral line route?
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Bryn - Newton-le-Willows

Bryn - Warrington Bank Quay

swt class 450 · 5 Sep 2016

I believe that Norwood Junction to Selhurst is another one.
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And Dean to Grateley as well.

Kite159 · 5 Sep 2016

Has Deansgate & Eccles been mentioned yet?

(Looking at RTT the only services which call at Eccles head to/from Manchester Victoria, apart from Sundays where the services go to Manchester Airport, but skip Deansgate)

scrapy · 7 Sep 2016

Jona26 said:
Birkdale to Meols Cop

There is no direct route between the two without reversing in Southport platform 3.

You could add Wigan Wallgate to Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan Wallgate to Bryn, Wigan Wallgate to Newton le Willows and Wigan Wallgate to Patricroft.

swt class 450 · 7 Sep 2016

Another one i have found is Yeoford to Sampford Courtenay which strangely do not have any direct services.

Parallel · 7 Sep 2016

swt class 450 said:
Another one i have found is Yeoford to Sampford Courtenay which strangely do not have any direct services.

Indeed. There's no longer any points at Coleford Junction so trains to and from Okehampton (when they run) have to cross over just after token exchange at Credition, and run past the disused/derelict platform at Yeoford (not currently suitable for passenger use).

If the GWR Okehampton services ever take off or if Dartmoor Railway ever extend their services, the second platform at Yeoford may be brought back into use.

There are currently no direct trains between Pewsey and Trowbridge despite a direct route being offered via. East Loop Junction which avoids Westbury. There did (until recently) used to be an evening service from London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads via Pewsey and Trowbridge but this now calls additionally (and terminates at) Westbury.

Kite159 · 7 Sep 2016

Parallel said:
Indeed. There's no longer any points at Coleford Junction so trains to and from Okehampton (when they run) have to cross over just after token exchange at Credition, and run past the disused/derelict platform at Yeoford (not currently suitable for passenger use).

If the GWR Okehampton services ever take off or if Dartmoor Railway ever extend their services, the second platform at Yeoford may be brought back into use.

There are currently no direct trains between Pewsey and Trowbridge despite a direct route being offered via. East Loop Junction which avoids Westbury. There did (until recently) used to be an evening service from London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads via Pewsey and Trowbridge but this now calls additionally (and terminates at) Westbury.

Even when the HST to Bristol via Trowbridge ran I'm pretty sure it didn't call at Pewsey.

swt class 450 · 8 Sep 2016

Parallel said:
Indeed. There's no longer any points at Coleford Junction so trains to and from Okehampton (when they run) have to cross over just after token exchange at Credition, and run past the disused/derelict platform at Yeoford (not currently suitable for passenger use).

If the GWR Okehampton services ever take off or if Dartmoor Railway ever extend their services, the second platform at Yeoford may be brought back into use.

There are currently no direct trains between Pewsey and Trowbridge despite a direct route being offered via. East Loop Junction which avoids Westbury. There did (until recently) used to be an evening service from London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads via Pewsey and Trowbridge but this now calls additionally (and terminates at) Westbury.

Thanks for the info. I didnt realise that. It would be good to see the second platform at Yeoford reopened or a crossover provided after Yeoford station. Although i see the Yeoford is a request stop so i am not sure how busy it is and if direct services would be useful?

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