Yes, believe heavy maintenance will be undertaken at Selhurst, light work should be at Ramsgate.
Edit: And I believe some at Stewart's Lane too?
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Yes, believe heavy maintenance will be undertaken at Selhurst, light work should be at Ramsgate.
Edit: And I believe some at Stewart's Lane too?
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Stewarts Lane is mainly for berthing along with another undisclosed location (I wont say it until its cleared for use - to avoid any confusion further down the line)
Hastings & Tonbridge Crews already sign 377s plus its easier to interwork the off peak Tunbridge Wells Stoppers with Hastings trains than any other circuit into/out of Charing X.
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By which date should all the 465/9's be off TWells stoppers? The 376's are running all the way to Gravesend & Sevenoaks stoppers & not ideal for pax or drivers given lack of toilets-465/9's would be ideal for them.
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Stewarts Lane won't be seeing the 377 for SE as it's full of 387, 455 and one 442 pairing.
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That won't be for quite a while yet. All 36 units need to be with SE, and the timetable along there needs to be recast to allow for 12 cars to shunt into/out of the platforms in the peaks because you can't really justify replacing a 10 car networker with an 8 car 375/377.
465/9s will eventually enter the standard 465 pool, so there's no way of predicting what will turn up.
Whilst it's not ideal, they do the job just fine.
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Do 377/1s have the slightly odd "extra" luggage space (instead of two seats) that is a feature on some Southern 377s? And if so, will it be removed and replaced with seating?
I can appreciate that on services to Gatwick this feature might be useful, but think less so on the SE routes.
I can appreciate that on services to Gatwick this feature might be useful, but think less so on the SE routes.
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Only 377/4s have those as far as i know
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So are 465s definitely leaving the Maidstone East line then? Please tell me it's true and not a cruel hoax. 
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So are 465s definitely leaving the Maidstone East line then? Please tell me it's true and not a cruel hoax.
From December, They will be used along there SX only. In good time they will all be replaced by 375s/377s.
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Wasn't it discussed publicly by Southeastern two years ago the Electrostar's were being put on the Maidstone East line because they have SDO? Hardly a surprise.
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Electrostars on the Maidstone line are something of an uncommon sight - you do see them occasionally, but you predominantly see 465/9s and 466s. This is especially true of the PM Peak services that are made of 6 or 8 coaches, and are usually rammed at least as far as Bromley and beyond.
I am unfamiliar with all the platform lengths on the Maidstone line, but if I had to guess, at least some of them can only take 8 coaches? If trains with SDO become a guarantee, then I assume it means that longer formation trains will become a possibility.
Many thanks.
Good to hear that Vic routes will be going 8 cars in the peaks. The line via Lewisham to Dartford is often extremely busy. That'll be a big help. The stations along the line have seen big growth, and increase in population at Lewisham adding to those using the direct but somewhat infrequent link to Victoria.
I don't use the other line but hear it's also very busy and the increase in population around Brixton using the line as a quick link to Victoria (8 minutes) in preference to the tube. There's about 500 homes being built around the station and the station itself should be rebuilt, and it'll be far more prominent. Won't be long until even 8 is insufficient.
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I think that may be a slight overstatement. The balance between 375/377s and 465s is about 60/40. A lot of the platforms are only 6 coaches so SDO on an 8 car is necessary.
Once everything is E*s then more 7/8 car running will occur.
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I might have been milking it a bit. :P
But when you're frequently using one of those services in the afternoon rush, it does "feel" as though the majority of those services are done by Networkers, because that's all you experience.
Regardless, the extra Electrostars will be a very welcome improvement.
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People are talking like the Networkers are being replaced, surely that's not the case?
Also another question for those in the know, I've been told Networkers have a system thats "sort of" SDO, but not quite? What do they have?
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Also another question for those in the know, I've been told Networkers have a system thats "sort of" SDO, but not quite? What do they have?
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The Networkers are being sent back to SE London/NW Kent to strengthen services there, which is desperately needed with all the changes caused by the London Bridge work
You can release all doors except the front coach or all doors except the rear coach.
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Supplementary question: Given this purpose, will they lose their first class and resume their 465/2 identities?
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As usual, a wealth of knowledge mate thank you! I have always wondered that, alongside the strange platforming arrangements at Chx!
Another question then, what are the SDO-R signs for on the platforms?
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Nope, they will remain as 465/9s for the foreseeable future. It's unlikely that all the peak time workings to/from Tunbridge Wells will be able to go over to 375/377s without a reduction in capacity. However they will enter a new diagramming pool with the 16 465/2s eventually.
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Maybe the 1st class section will just be declassified once on the North West Kent routes
The GWR 165s have had their first class section declassified, and very comfy it is too!
The GWR 165s have had their first class section declassified, and very comfy it is too!
Not seen the SDO-R but we have SDO-F at Charing Cross (if my route knowledge is up to speed) They are the boards instructing us to use the SDO. So you come in to the platform and select the Door release button + F button. We have 4 door release buttons (release + All/Front/Rear)
I have never seen it used. I think there is a safety issue as its confusing and a potential risk. Safer to not use SDO at all and book the longer trains on 1-3 instead.
I noticed someone posted about our maximum restriction for SDO so possibly it doesn't work with a 12 car (3x units) I've never used it since I first passed out. I'll have a play next time I'm up the sidings.
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I'll have to dig my route video out have have a look!! I just seem to remember there being a plate for the low numbered platforms next to the signal that said SDO R or SDO restricted, along them lines!
EDIT: Yep. Next to TL5 is a plate (or at least was when the video was taken) showning SDO R on a white plate on the gantry. I know platform 3 is a bit funky with 12 cars, so maybe it's to only open the rear portion?
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It's hard to believe that the Vic-Orpington line was only 2tph until the mid-noughties. I've been using it since 1988 (the last days of the EPBs) and although it's always been busy, it's packed now.
Of forking course ! ! I can't recall seeing it but I don't doubt it being there. SDO-R is for opening up all doors except the front. So if your sitting country end on TL5 SDO-R makes perfect sense as SDO-R opens up all except front (where the teeny tiny bit of platform is)
I was thinking the SDO-F on platform 5 as its directly in front of you and you open (SDO-F) on arrival as you would have 1 out the back.
You would be on platform 3 pointing country end and then open your doors. It would have to be sitting there locked out or have come in ECS for you to specifically release the doors. Totally possible of course and perfectly logical...
I came out of 3 today with a 12 and still didn't see a sign. I must be getting blind or complacent in my old age !
People often say networkers can't run as 12 car with SDO as the system is rudimentary. if signs are/were up does it give some sort of grandfather rights?
If it can be operated could a 12-car stop as Woolwich Dockyard with the rear car/doors locked out. I've read it's long enough for 11 cars.
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Yep it's no surprise with increasing population and apps now suggesting it given how quick it is to Victoria. The station is somewhat hidden away but these plans ensure it wont be for long with a start on site date of 2017:
http://futurebrixton.org/brixton-central/brixton-central-masterplan/
If it can be operated could a 12-car stop as Woolwich Dockyard with the rear car/doors locked out. I've read it's long enough for 11 cars.
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Yep it's no surprise with increasing population and apps now suggesting it given how quick it is to Victoria. The station is somewhat hidden away but these plans ensure it wont be for long with a start on site date of 2017:
http://futurebrixton.org/brixton-central/brixton-central-masterplan/
Will 377/5 coming off tl duties be repainted into southern livery or will we see odd blue and pink 377s down the west and east coast way ?
I imagine repainting is not urgent as they have just had or are having a c6 overhaul. .. The three 377/2 in fcc livery are vinyled so easy to take those off. Or will they be repainted will we see a new look southern livery I wonder ?
I imagine repainting is not urgent as they have just had or are having a c6 overhaul. .. The three 377/2 in fcc livery are vinyled so easy to take those off. Or will they be repainted will we see a new look southern livery I wonder ?
really dont think GTR will spend the money on repaints! Some kind of vinyl im guessing.
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GTR won't have painting facilities until sometime in 2017 so they will be in service prior to any paint I believe. First unit to return will be one of the Southern liveried unit next month.
thats good that saves sending everything to wolverton or eastleigh
The 377 fleet (/1 - /5) are getting close to needing a full repaint, on the basis they are starting to look tatty, especially the /3s. Not sure when it is due, but dont forget they only had a patch up job last time around.
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