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A friend did Berwick – London KX on Saturday last and wrote this to me

Interesting modern social interaction.

On the opposite side a woman with her feet on the opposite seat was quietly puffing on one of the new electronic cigarettes. Her daughter opposite. Her son on his own watching a film on the next seats along.

Small white puffs of "Smoke" rose from time to time as the "machine" slipped back discreetLy into a bag alongside the woman. The smell was obvious. My throat was getting sore.

Son..."what is that smell Mum".

Mother....".don't worry it is nothing ...it won't harm you ... I will tell you later"

As there is no live part to this type of smoking it seems that the user can go on forever . So after* half an hour of this I had had enough and called across to ask her to stop using the machine as it stank and was causing me problems. In addition ..."smoking is not allowed on trains...or any public transport"

She erupted. " I knew you would be a problem as soon as I saw you! "

"Vaping does not cause any problems. I travelled up yesterday with inspectors and police walking up and down ( something to do with the soccer ) and they did not tell me I couldn't "Vape"

"I don"t like the smell of your beer ( I had had a can of beer and a sandwich). If you can drink beer I can "Vape""

My response ......smoking is not allowed, having food and a drink is. Anŷway the whole carriage is affected .

Me...."It is not only is but your son was affected."

Woman ...." No he was not. He said nothing. It is just you. You are racist!" Yes...she repeated this in fact and we assume it is a new common insult as the woman was white. I was wearing a poppy which might have caused her offence and an indication of my character.

Conversation closed. She continued to puff but in the coach doorways. Due to the tense atmosphere we moved.

The train had no staff on it. There was another nutter pacing up and down complaining about others. And a group of loud but harmless lads further away.

Even at Kings Cross the gates were open and no staff.

The train was really quite empty but a potentially pleasant trip was marred by this selfish woman.

I later checked: the friend and wife had caught 17.12 ex Berwick

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y71645/2016/11/12/advanced​

He said a lot got on at Newcastle.

It raises the old chestnut of no ticket checks, but raises the question of Vaping ........ is it allowed on trains?
 
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From what I understand vaping is NOT allowed both on trains and at stations (in England at least). I suppose it could set off a more sensitive smoke only fire extinguisher.

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no you are not allowed to use one of those vapour things on trains or stations. Although there seems to be an overreaction to a simple conversation and request. ALL VTEC trains have several staff aboard.
 
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I doubt the train "had no staff on it".

In fact, I'm sure there will have been staff on it!

Personally I'd just have moved (since the train was pretty empty) and - if I felt strongly - looked for the TM. (Do VTEC trains have a TM 'office'?)
 

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Vaping is indeed not allowed, AIUI partly because it could cause confusion with smoking, and partly because it affects others adversely (even if it won't harm their health) because you can't do it without "flavouring" the air around the user.

A bit of trivia on the side - isn't there a railway station in the UK where smoking is permitted? I recall it is one that is fully outdoor where the entire station land is owned by one of the ferry companies rather than the railway. Heysham Port perhaps?
 

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Vaping is indeed not allowed, AIUI partly because it could cause confusion with smoking, and partly because it affects others adversely (even if it won't harm their health) because you can't do it without "flavouring" the air around the user.

A bit of trivia on the side - isn't there a railway station in the UK where smoking is permitted? I recall it is one that is fully outdoor where the entire station land is owned by one of the ferry companies rather than the railway. Heysham Port perhaps?

Fishguard Harbour. It's owned by Stena.
 

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I doubt the train "had no staff on it".



In fact, I'm sure there will have been staff on it!



Personally I'd just have moved (since the train was pretty empty) and - if I felt strongly - looked for the TM. (Do VTEC trains have a TM 'office'?)

Or take the approach of a woman many years ago who was in a non-smoking compartment with someone smoking cigarettes. After several requests, she left the compartment (to move elsewhere the occupants thought). She returned - with a fire extinguisher. And used it.
 

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A friend did Berwick – London KX on Saturday last and wrote this to me

Interesting modern social interaction.

On the opposite side a woman with her feet on the opposite seat was quietly puffing on one of the new electronic cigarettes. Her daughter opposite. Her son on his own watching a film on the next seats along.

Small white puffs of "Smoke" rose from time to time as the "machine" slipped back discreetLy into a bag alongside the woman. The smell was obvious. My throat was getting sore.

Son..."what is that smell Mum".

Mother....".don't worry it is nothing ...it won't harm you ... I will tell you later"

As there is no live part to this type of smoking it seems that the user can go on forever . So after* half an hour of this I had had enough and called across to ask her to stop using the machine as it stank and was causing me problems. In addition ..."smoking is not allowed on trains...or any public transport"

She erupted. " I knew you would be a problem as soon as I saw you! "

"Vaping does not cause any problems. I travelled up yesterday with inspectors and police walking up and down ( something to do with the soccer ) and they did not tell me I couldn't "Vape"

"I don"t like the smell of your beer ( I had had a can of beer and a sandwich). If you can drink beer I can "Vape""

My response ......smoking is not allowed, having food and a drink is. Anŷway the whole carriage is affected .

Me...."It is not only is but your son was affected."

Woman ...." No he was not. He said nothing. It is just you. You are racist!" Yes...she repeated this in fact and we assume it is a new common insult as the woman was white. I was wearing a poppy which might have caused her offence and an indication of my character.

Conversation closed. She continued to puff but in the coach doorways. Due to the tense atmosphere we moved.

The train had no staff on it. There was another nutter pacing up and down complaining about others. And a group of loud but harmless lads further away.

Even at Kings Cross the gates were open and no staff.

The train was really quite empty but a potentially pleasant trip was marred by this selfish woman.

I later checked: the friend and wife had caught 17.12 ex Berwick

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y71645/2016/11/12/advanced​

He said a lot got on at Newcastle.

It raises the old chestnut of no ticket checks, but raises the question of Vaping ........ is it allowed on trains?

Blimey,wearing a poppy "might have caused her offence" . That's a new one on me. Why?
 

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Sadly not an uncommon story. A sign of the antisocial, "me me me" times we live in.

Indeed it's a frequent occurrence for passengers to light cigarettes on the train. I've even noticed the distinctive smell of weed drifting into the driver's cab from the passenger saloon behind.
 
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It's not permitted. I would have taken action myself, but I realise not everyone feels able or confident enough. There will always be a guard on these long distance trains somewhere - get him or her if need be. Smokers/'vapers' (the latter are almost always ex-smokers) do exhibit a greater than average tendency to selfishness and/or rule breaking (in my experience), I think largely because their addiction/habit means they think little of their own health, let alone the well-being of others. There's also the 'rebel' attitude that can accompany smoking, where the rules are there to be broken/ignored.

The 'I knew you were trouble' view would be the reverse with me just because she had her feet on the seats - compounding her selfishness.
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Blimey,wearing a poppy "might have caused her offence" . That's a new one on me. Why?

Ideally, one that squirts water (on her)!
 
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Telling a vaper you cant smoke on a train is basically showing a red rag to a bull.

The answer even to onboard staff from these vapers is "Its not smoking, its vaping". You cannot win with these lunatics.

Vaping is prohibited at stations and trains with Virgin Trains East Coast.
 

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Telling a vaper you cant smoke on a train is basically showing a red rag to a bull.

The answer even to onboard staff from these vapers is "Its not smoking, its vaping". You cannot win with these lunatics.

Vaping is prohibited at stations and trains with Virgin Trains East Coast.

And every other train and station in the UK, except Fishguard Harbour (owned by Stena).
 

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...except Fishguard Harbour (owned by Stena).
Though, as I understand it, it's not solely the private nature of the station that's behind the ability to smoke on the platform, but rather because you would need to cross the track to get away from the station building. So they allow the lesser of two evils, so to speak. Having been there the once, it's not really a big issue from the health point of view as there's very little reason to spend any time in the platform area other than to smoke.
 
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And every other train and station in the UK, except Fishguard Harbour (owned by Stena).

Not quite. Those stations operated by Merseyrail that are above ground don't display any no smoking signs. As such, smoking is permitted on those stations.
 

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Not quite. Those stations operated by Merseyrail that are above ground don't display any no smoking signs. As such, smoking is permitted on those stations.

That's interesting - I certainly hadn't realised that smoking was permitted anywhere on the network these days.
 

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You mention a sore throat coming on, I'm glad its not me, I have had awful sore throat everytime someone has been puffing on one of those things near me.
 

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Not quite. Those stations operated by Merseyrail that are above ground don't display any no smoking signs. As such, smoking is permitted on those stations.

just to be clear, it is their intention to permit smoking, it's not just because they forgot to put up signs...
Smoking is permitted on our surface stations, accept in areas displaying a ‘prohibited’ instruction, for example Station Booking Hall or Customer Waiting Shelter.
 

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Not quite. Those stations operated by Merseyrail that are above ground don't display any no smoking signs. As such, smoking is permitted on those stations.
Quote from the Merseyrail website, in case anyone doubts your claim:

http://www.merseyrail.org/about-merseyrail/frequently-asked-questions.aspx

Smoking is permitted on our surface stations, accept in areas displaying a ‘prohibited’ instruction, for example Station Booking Hall or Customer Waiting Shelter. Smoking on our underground stations and on trains is strictly prohibited and is an offence enforceable under Byelaw 3 of the Merseyrail Byelaws 2014.

We politely request you adhere to the same guidelines in relation to ‘E Cigarettes’.
 

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just to be clear, it is their intention to permit smoking, it's not just because they forgot to put up signs...

Was that a direct 'cut and paste' quote, because it says "accept in areas..." rather than except! The Merseyrail bye-laws say:

"SMOKING
No person shall smoke or carry a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette, match, lighter or other lighted item on any part of the railway on or near which there is a notice indicating that smoking is not allowed."


All this tends to suggest that smoking is directly permitted, which I am extremely surprised by. Are there any others to emerge from the woodwork along these lines, I wonder? Another illusion of network unity lies shattered!
 
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One evening loads of drunken thugs got on at Lincoln, and one was smoking the stinking thing, someone complained, the vaper said it was okay as it wasn't a cig, the guard was asked by the passenger right behind the nuisance, guard confirmed it was not allowed, after that the guard vanished while the e-cig came out and the drunks became violently threatening.

Vaping isn't safe either, it's proven to damage cells in exactly the same way as normal smoking, if I see someone illegally smoking I always get fuming as it's causing me and even innocent kids health problems.
Vaping has nicotine, an addictive poisonous drug, I don't want to breathe in druggie stink anywhere!
 

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One evening loads of drunken thugs got on at Lincoln, and one was smoking the stinking thing, someone complained, the vaper said it was okay as it wasn't a cig, the guard was asked by the passenger right behind the nuisance, guard confirmed it was not allowed, after that the guard vanished while the e-cig came out and the drunks became violently threatening.

Vaping isn't safe either, it's proven to damage cells in exactly the same way as normal smoking, if I see someone illegally smoking I always get fuming as it's causing me and even innocent kids health problems.
Vaping has nicotine, an addictive poisonous drug, I don't want to breathe in druggie stink anywhere!

I feel you should get your facts right when posting, not all e-cigs have nicotine in them, and many smokers use them as a alternative to smoking.
Sam
 

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One evening loads of drunken thugs got on at Lincoln, and one was smoking the stinking thing, someone complained, the vaper said it was okay as it wasn't a cig, the guard was asked by the passenger right behind the nuisance, guard confirmed it was not allowed, after that the guard vanished while the e-cig came out and the drunks became violently threatening.

Vaping isn't safe either, it's proven to damage cells in exactly the same way as normal smoking, if I see someone illegally smoking I always get fuming as it's causing me and even innocent kids health problems.
Vaping has nicotine, an addictive poisonous drug, I don't want to breathe in druggie stink anywhere!

Excellent choice of words!
 

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A friend did Berwick – London KX on Saturday last and wrote this to me

Interesting modern social interaction.

On the opposite side a woman with her feet on the opposite seat was quietly puffing on one of the new electronic cigarettes. Her daughter opposite. Her son on his own watching a film on the next seats along.

Small white puffs of "Smoke" rose from time to time as the "machine" slipped back discreetLy into a bag alongside the woman. The smell was obvious. My throat was getting sore.

Son..."what is that smell Mum".

Mother....".don't worry it is nothing ...it won't harm you ... I will tell you later"

As there is no live part to this type of smoking it seems that the user can go on forever . So after* half an hour of this I had had enough and called across to ask her to stop using the machine as it stank and was causing me problems. In addition ..."smoking is not allowed on trains...or any public transport"

She erupted. " I knew you would be a problem as soon as I saw you! "

"Vaping does not cause any problems. I travelled up yesterday with inspectors and police walking up and down ( something to do with the soccer ) and they did not tell me I couldn't "Vape"

"I don"t like the smell of your beer ( I had had a can of beer and a sandwich). If you can drink beer I can "Vape""

My response ......smoking is not allowed, having food and a drink is. Anŷway the whole carriage is affected .

Me...."It is not only is but your son was affected."

Woman ...." No he was not. He said nothing. It is just you. You are racist!" Yes...she repeated this in fact and we assume it is a new common insult as the woman was white. I was wearing a poppy which might have caused her offence and an indication of my character.

Conversation closed. She continued to puff but in the coach doorways. Due to the tense atmosphere we moved.

The train had no staff on it. There was another nutter pacing up and down complaining about others. And a group of loud but harmless lads further away.

Even at Kings Cross the gates were open and no staff.

The train was really quite empty but a potentially pleasant trip was marred by this selfish woman.

I later checked: the friend and wife had caught 17.12 ex Berwick

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y71645/2016/11/12/advanced​

He said a lot got on at Newcastle.

It raises the old chestnut of no ticket checks, but raises the question of Vaping ........ is it allowed on trains?

OMG.....my wife causes trouble wherever she goes:D:D!

But seriously I believe vaping is banned in the same way that smoking is on railway premises, I saw a BTP officer telling somebody off at London Bridge just last week.

I'd certainly have got the guard or TM and I'm surprised that nobody else did.
 
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