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'Very limited' road transport between Exeter & Taunton apparently.

I managed to leave Taunton just after 10PM after 3 hours out in the cold and wind and rain with about 500 others by the time I was ushered into a taxi to Truro with a couple of others.

I was booked for the 15:06 ex Paddington - cancelled - then the 16:06 - cancelled - then re-instated but we were told 25 mins outside Taunton that we were not to go any further. outside of Taunton, we were held up for 30 mins waiting for a Platform. When we de-trained we were promised 5 coaches from Bristol in 45 mins - none turned up. then a promise of 20-25 mins more - nothing. 150 mins after we arrived followed by 2 further trains, taxis started to arrive. GWR staff useless. Community Police officers - wonderful. They kept everyone calm-ish and tried to pass on info that GWR staff didn't.

We arrived in Truro at 00:25. The taxi driver demanding 100 pounds each from the four of us as taxi fare. Had no idea of "white form". Managed to convince him that GWR were to pay him and signed a paper to record the journey and fare. GWR get lowest marks. Taunton was a total mess. Mostly due to lack of information. Many dissatisfied customers.
 
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I managed to leave Taunton just after 10PM after 3 hours out in the cold and wind and rain with about 500 others by the time I was ushered into a taxi to Truro with a couple of others.

I was booked for the 15:06 ex Paddington - cancelled - then the 16:06 - cancelled - then re-instated but we were told 25 mins outside Taunton that we were not to go any further. outside of Taunton, we were held up for 30 mins waiting for a Platform. When we de-trained we were promised 5 coaches from Bristol in 45 mins - none turned up. then a promise of 20-25 mins more - nothing. 150 mins after we arrived followed by 2 further trains, taxis started to arrive. GWR staff useless. Community Police officers - wonderful. They kept everyone calm-ish and tried to pass on info that GWR staff didn't.

We arrived in Truro at 00:25. The taxi driver demanding 100 pounds each from the four of us as taxi fare. Had no idea of "white form". Managed to convince him that GWR were to pay him and signed a paper to record the journey and fare. GWR get lowest marks. Taunton was a total mess. Mostly due to lack of information. Many dissatisfied customers.

People always have ludicrously inflated expectations when disruptions like this happen.

Stations are staffed to cope with normal service, not mass crowd control.

Buses and coaches aren't sitting in depots with drivers waiting just in case the railway might need them. Taxis are also not in limitless supply at rail stations over the normal demand.

Things could be a lot worse, people boarded yesterday mornings 9am Rosslare-Fishguard ferry expecting a 4 hour crossing, 18 hours later they are doing laps of the Welsh coast and will likely by a day late by the time the ship docks.
 

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People always have ludicrously inflated expectations when disruptions like this happen.

Stations are staffed to cope with normal service, not mass crowd control.

Buses and coaches aren't sitting in depots with drivers waiting just in case the railway might need them. Taxis are also not in limitless supply at rail stations over the normal demand.

Things could be a lot worse, people boarded yesterday mornings 9am Rosslare-Fishguard ferry expecting a 4 hour crossing, 18 hours later they are doing laps of the Welsh coast and will likely by a day late by the time the ship docks.

Crowd control in such situations is largely dependent on suitable railway office staff being available to help out. And yes, such people most definitely exist. The problem today has been so widespread that it was almost inevitable that staff in some locations were going to be overwhelmed. It would be nice to think that a contingency plan exists for disruption on this scale but timing, which is in the lap of the gods when it comes to weather events, makes a big difference. And weather forecasting, improved though it is compared with even quite recently, can't always be precise about the track of a weather system making it difficult to plan too far ahead other than for a total shutdown. In summary, everyone's a loser but since we can't control the weather...
 

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ECML blocked between Newcastle and Berwick. The 0526 Stirling-Kings Cross isn't stopping at Berwick, which I presume means it's going via Carlisle and Hexham. But there are now "delays of up to 20 minutes on services between Newcastle, Hexham and Carlisle in both directions while safety checks are conducted to the line between Newcastle and Corbridge." according to Northern.
 

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ECML blocked between Newcastle and Berwick. The 0526 Stirling-Kings Cross isn't stopping at Berwick, which I presume means it's going via Carlisle and Hexham. But there are now "delays of up to 20 minutes on services between Newcastle, Hexham and Carlisle in both directions while safety checks are conducted to the line between Newcastle and Corbridge." according to Northern.

Diversions via Carlisle as and when route knowledge permits.
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People always have ludicrously inflated expectations when disruptions like this happen.

Stations are staffed to cope with normal service, not mass crowd control

Telling people that coaches will arrive in 45mins, for nothing to appear for 2.5 hours is IMO unnecessarily inflating expectations.
 

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Cowley should be alright after the works to protect it, and Dawlish shouldn't be much of an issue unless the Wind picks up. The biggest problem down here at the moment is the endless rain.

Famous last words as Network Rail say its now closed for 48 hours at Cowley Bridge due to flooding as the defences only partially worked (despite National rail saying it may open at 1200 to London and 1800 to Barnstaple)!
 

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People always have ludicrously inflated expectations when disruptions like this happen.
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Buses and coaches aren't sitting in depots with drivers waiting just in case the railway might need them. Taxis are also not in limitless supply at rail stations over the normal demand.

Also road conditions may make it impractical.
 

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And yet 'they'll get here, when they get here' - which frankly is the real truth - is even worse.

If the staff have been told by the coach operator, or previous station, which is 45 minutes away that the coaches have departed, is a 45 minute arrival time more than expectations can meet?
 

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VTEC passengers unable to travel today due to the flooding can travel tomorrow
 

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On GWR this morning Cowley Bridge (oh dear) closed preventing access to Barnstaple. No transport replacement. Limited GWR diversions via Yeovil, which has now re-opened but with speed restrictions. Both Up and Down Sleepers cancelled last night, although 1C99 started at Exeter St Davids at 0410 for Penzance formed of 150/2 + 2x153.
 

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Water in Alnmouth. Blaim it on Angus?!

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On GWR this morning Cowley Bridge (oh dear) closed preventing access to Barnstaple. No transport replacement. Limited GWR diversions via Yeovil, which has now re-opened but with speed restrictions. Both Up and Down Sleepers cancelled last night, although 1C99 started at Exeter St Davids at 0410 for Penzance formed of 150/2 + 2x153.


State of play at Cowley

https://twitter.com/CrossCountryUK/status/800983685902307328

The remedial work to the signalling completed last time (ie raising the electrics above flood water level) should make reopening quicker.
 

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I thought given that there are XC sets west of the blocked section of line there might be an attempt to get a set or two down to Plymouth or Penzance for tomorrow.
There were only two Voyagers ended up west of the blockage at Laira or Long Rock at the close of play yesterday where there should usually be seven, so any service that Crosscountry can provide out that way is going to be limited.
 

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I managed to leave Taunton just after 10PM after 3 hours out in the cold and wind and rain with about 500 others by the time I was ushered into a taxi to Truro with a couple of others.

I was booked for the 15:06 ex Paddington - cancelled - then the 16:06 - cancelled - then re-instated but we were told 25 mins outside Taunton that we were not to go any further. outside of Taunton, we were held up for 30 mins waiting for a Platform. When we de-trained we were promised 5 coaches from Bristol in 45 mins - none turned up. then a promise of 20-25 mins more - nothing. 150 mins after we arrived followed by 2 further trains, taxis started to arrive. GWR staff useless. Community Police officers - wonderful. They kept everyone calm-ish and tried to pass on info that GWR staff didn't.

We arrived in Truro at 00:25. The taxi driver demanding 100 pounds each from the four of us as taxi fare. Had no idea of "white form". Managed to convince him that GWR were to pay him and signed a paper to record the journey and fare. GWR get lowest marks. Taunton was a total mess. Mostly due to lack of information. Many dissatisfied customers.

Are you sure this taxi driver wasn't trying to rip you off?

A few comments on twitter from unhappy passengers at Taunton, one said the local police were of more help than GWR staff.
 
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On the subject of inflated expectation:

This morning's first VT to Birmingham got terminated at International (brakedowns, avoidance of paying delay repay to London bound passengers etc.) and headed back down south.

TM: 'The next train to New St. is the 7:38 Cross Country service'. This is the 4 coach Manchester bound Voyager which Corbyn would love at the best of times.

We arrived at 7:39 and the full 9-coach Pendolino emptied out on to the platforms. 'We suggest you get the next Virgin train as the the London Midland one is quite small'. This was also late so being Bound for Glory, I took the bus.
 
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On GWR this morning Cowley Bridge (oh dear) closed preventing access to Barnstaple. No transport replacement. Limited GWR diversions via Yeovil, which has now re-opened but with speed restrictions. Both Up and Down Sleepers cancelled last night, although 1C99 started at Exeter St Davids at 0410 for Penzance formed of 150/2 + 2x153.

Whilst I applaud GWR for getting acceptance to Tiverton on the 55 and 155, would it not also have been sensible to get acceptance on the 1 given that's the only bus that servers Tiverton Parkway and it's a very long walk to there from the 55/155 stops!
 

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1E03 0526 Stirling to London Kings Cross has left Newcastle 143L and Darlington 144L

It took 3 1/2 hours to get from Edinburgh to Newcaslte via Carlisle
 

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Also road conditions may make it impractical.

The M5 Motorway was, as is almost always the case, absolutely fine.

The alternative road infrastructure between Taunton, Tiverton and Exeter is about as high a standard as you could ever hope for.
 

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Swindon - Bristol Parkway has continued to be a bit dodgy all day. It would appear that a diversion via Bath has been in place again for parts of the day. NRE continue to report that South Wales services are being diverted but 1B46 appears not to have been. It has however crawled through the affected area and is now 44m down at Bristol. It would have been quicker to divert.
 

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Chester-Crewe line closed for a period this morning.
I caught the 0935 to Euston, but it turned out to be the 0835 running late, and further delayed waiting at Chester for a driver to arrive by taxi from Liverpool.
Diversion via Warrington was mooted, but in the end we went the normal route.
The problem was where it always is - in a shallow cutting east of Calveley where land water gathers.
We made a significant bow-wave to get through at walking pace.

Difficulties also most of the day between Chester and Shrewsbury too as well as the Marches, with trains heavily delayed or turning short.
But the WCML seemed to be running well, with Glasgow-London services pretty much on time.
Maybe the £8 billion was well spent after all...
 
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Are you sure this taxi driver wasn't trying to rip you off?

A few comments on twitter from unhappy passengers at Taunton, one said the local police were of more help than GWR staff.

I arrived in Taunton around 2130 after leaving Stroud at 1514. I'd blagged a free taxi at Bristol TM by asking XC and GWR staff. Don't ask, don't get. Left at 2040. If the answer had been "no" I'd've joined the masses headed west who were shepherded onto buses, the first of which arrived in Taunton from Bristol at around 2215.

I heard from friends in Taunton that the local cabbies were more helpful than the 2 or 3 GWR staff who were on duty there. Arranging for access to toilets, offering one or two free local journeys to some elderly passengers, and arranging to collect hot drinks.
 
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Are you sure this taxi driver wasn't trying to rip you off?

A few comments on twitter from unhappy passengers at Taunton, one said the local police were of more help than GWR staff.

From what I've heard, this isn't the only taxi driver who has offered to help beyond that which was agreed, and tried it on.
 

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I was booked on the Monday 13:34 Taunton - Paddington (Cornishman) with the intention of catching the 17:04 Eurostar.

I suspected there might be issues so was keeping an eye on the national rail website, but the problems seemed to be on the Bristol line rather than Westbury as preceding trains through Reading on my route were showing ok, so I turned up as usual rather than try to go earlier.

The train rolled in 1 minute late and seemed rather busy. Passengers said the previous had been cancelled. We set off, but got as far as Cogload Junction 5 minutes later before the train stopped and the TM said we would be diverted via Bristol due to flooding at Castle Cary. He said as long as we were through Bristol before 14:30 we would have no further hold ups due to being ahead of the Bristol - London stopping train. I commented to my fellow passengers that this was right into the area already affected by flooding and wasn't good news...

We passed Weston-super-Mare when the train slowed a couple of minutes later. The TM comes on the PA saying we had caught up a stopper but it would be ok as soon as it had turned off into Weston-super-Mare! Then just after Nailsea we came to a complete stop. The tunnel ahead was reported flooded by the stopper. We couldn't proceed until Network Rail had inspected it. After more than an hour waiting and one sold out buffet car later we were authorised to proceed through at 5 mph.

The TM said we were going to be terminated at Temple Meads due to Box tunnel now being flooded. We pulled into the station at about 16:00 and just as everyone packed up and got up to be at the front of the bus queue he got back on the PA and said the new plan was to go via Bath Spa and Trowbridge and we should stay put. Some pax got off but everyone else sat back down and waited. 20 minutes later the service was terminated.

Several hundred people de-trained and it was quite clear that no-one, least of all GWR staff, had any idea what was going on. I saw a Europcar desk opposite and headed across to that platform to find a few people with the same idea. At that point a Voyager going to Manchester rolled in and I briefly thought about heading to Birmingham then down to Euston. It would have been tight so I left it, not wanting to be even further from home if that option got cancelled.

The platform staff were putting on a brave face but it was clear they knew nothing. Trains were turning up seemingly at random and the national rail app was saying stuff was cancelled when it wasn't and vice-versa. I went into Bonapartes just to sit and send some essential emails when I saw that a Southampton train was due in 10 minutes. I thought about trying my luck that way when the 15:30 to Paddington was suddenly announced out of the blue as about to leave from platform 13 over an hour late. Of course, I was the wrong side of the station but I grabbed my stuff and legged it. By the time I got there it was full and standing but I found a spot on the floor of first class and settled in for an uncomfortable journey.

We were told we would be reversing at Melksham but we ended up going via Westbury and Newbury. We eventually got to London at 18:35 and I was able to rebook on the last Eurostar of the night. Luckily I had one of the increasingly difficult to get CIV through tickets and it cost me nothing extra, but the Eurostar staff wanted to check that and I'm sure that had I not, it would have been a new ticket at full price. I also ended up having to get a hotel in Brussels as I missed my last onward connection there - I'm wondering if I can claim this.


Obviously the weather cannot be helped, although I would question whether what I saw in Taunton over the preceding few hours was *that bad*. What was unbelievable, however, was the complete comedy of errors of the information coming from GWR, or lack thereof later on. It was meltdown. It was clear that they had no clue on the ground and for a while it was looking like we'd just been dumped in Bristol and I might have to spend the night there. Why a train was allowed to leave Taunton and head towards what was already showing on their website as a problem area is unacceptable and why did they terminate a full train when a route was available to it which was taken 30 minutes later by another, leaving passengers behind on the platform due to crush loading? It's the same story every time this happens.

I'm also wondering what effect track lowering on the Bristol - London routes might have had on this.


By the way, I saw a tweet from Network Rail to South West Trains asking if an event to launch their Rail Resilience Study was still on due to these floods. #irony.
 
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I was booked on the Monday 13:34 Taunton - Paddington (Cornishman) with the intention of catching the 17:04 Eurostar.

I suspected there might be issues so was keeping an eye on the national rail website, but the problems seemed to be on the Bristol line rather than Westbury as preceding trains through Reading on my route were showing ok, so I turned up as usual rather than try to go earlier.

The train rolled in 1 minute late and seemed rather busy. Passengers said the previous had been cancelled. We set off, but got as far as Cogload Junction 5 minutes later before the train stopped and the TM said we would be diverted via Bristol due to flooding at Castle Cary. He said as long as we were through Bristol before 14:30 we would have no further hold ups due to being ahead of the Bristol - London stopping train. I commented to my fellow passengers that this was right into the area already affected by flooding and wasn't good news...

We passed Weston-super-Mare when the train slowed a couple of minutes later. The TM comes on the PA saying we had caught up a stopper but it would be ok as soon as it had turned off into Weston-super-Mare! Then just after Nailsea we came to a complete stop. The tunnel ahead was reported flooded by the stopper. We couldn't proceed until Network Rail had inspected it. After more than an hour waiting and one sold out buffet car later we were authorised to proceed through at 5 mph.

The TM said we were going to be terminated at Temple Meads due to Box tunnel now being flooded. We pulled into the station at about 16:00 and just as everyone packed up and got up to be at the front of the bus queue he got back on the PA and said the new plan was to go via Bath Spa and Trowbridge and we should stay put. Some pax got off but everyone else sat back down and waited. 20 minutes later the service was terminated.

Several hundred people de-trained and it was quite clear that no-one, least of all GWR staff, had any idea what was going on. I saw a Europcar desk opposite and headed across to that platform to find a few people with the same idea. At that point a Voyager going to Manchester rolled in and I briefly thought about heading to Birmingham then down to Euston. It would have been tight so I left it, not wanting to be even further from home if that option got cancelled.

The platform staff were putting on a brave face but it was clear they knew nothing. Trains were turning up seemingly at random and the national rail app was saying stuff was cancelled when it wasn't and vice-versa. I went into Bonapartes just to sit and send some essential emails when I saw that a Southampton train was due in 10 minutes. I thought about trying my luck that way when the 15:30 to Paddington was suddenly announced out of the blue as about to leave from platform 13 over an hour late. Of course, I was the wrong side of the station but I grabbed my stuff and legged it. By the time I got there it was full and standing but I found a spot on the floor of first class and settled in for an uncomfortable journey.

We were told we would be reversing at Melksham but we ended up going via Westbury and Newbury. We eventually got to London at 18:35 and I was able to rebook on the last Eurostar of the night. Luckily I had one of the increasingly difficult to get CIV through tickets and it cost me nothing extra, but the Eurostar staff wanted to check that and I'm sure that had I not, it would have been a new ticket at full price. I also ended up having to get a hotel in Brussels as I missed my last onward connection there - I'm wondering if I can claim this.


Obviously the weather cannot be helped, although I would question whether what I saw in Taunton over the preceding few hours was *that bad*. What was unbelievable, however, was the complete comedy of errors of the information coming from GWR, or lack thereof later on. It was meltdown. It was clear that they had no clue on the ground and for a while it was looking like we'd just been dumped in Bristol and I might have to spend the night there. Why a train was allowed to leave Taunton and head towards what was already showing on their website as a problem area is unacceptable and why did they terminate a full train when a route was available to it which was taken 30 minutes later by another, leaving passengers behind on the platform due to crush loading? It's the same story every time this happens.

I'm also wondering what effect track lowering on the Bristol - London routes might have had on this.


By the way, I saw a tweet from Network Rail to South West Trains asking if an event to launch their Rail Resilience Study was still on due to these floods. #irony.

I totally agree with the highlighted section. GWR staffers had no idea what was going on and I totally agree about being "dumped" the other night in Taunton. My feeling about Monday afternoon at Paddington was to tell us there was a service on the delayed 16:06 to Penzance and pack the train with passengers, and clear the area of passengers waiting to travel west with no information as to what the situation was west of Taunton. The reaction or lack of action in Taunton reeks of being dumped there and no communication down the line from Paddington/Swindon or any other place where GWR organises things. Certainly at Taunton there was evidence of delays as the info boards had delays and cancellation from 14:00 onwards.

I also asked at Paddington, if the Waterloo-Exeter service was running on Monday afternoon/evening and was told that it too was cancelled. In the taxi, we listened to BBC local radio at just after midnight (Tuesday) and they had a caller from Taunton, 75 minutes after we had left the station to say that everyone left behind was seated on a train, and they had been offered water, and pizzas had been ordered, and it was likely they would be on the train all night.

Regarding payment to the taxi, the driver I had was part of a convoy and the other taxi driver was radioing him to ask if he had the "white form" . His answer was in the negative, and what was this form? Again total lack of any organisation by GWR, surely staff are trained to deal with this sort of situation where 500+ passengers are dumped at your station. Taunton is not a one man station or and unstaffed halt.
 
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I totally agree with the highlighted section. GWR staffers had no idea what was going on and I totally agree about being "dumped" the other night in Taunton. My feeling about Monday afternoon at Paddington was to tell us there was a service on the delayed 16:06 to Penzance and pack the train with passengers, and clear the area of passengers waiting to travel west with no information as to what the situation was west of Taunton. The reaction or lack of action in Taunton reeks of being dumped there and no communication down the line from Paddington/Swindon or any other place where GWR organises things. Certainly at Taunton there was evidence of delays as the info boards had delays and cancellation from 14:00 onwards.

I also asked at Paddington, if the Waterloo-Exeter service was running on Monday afternoon/evening and was told that it too was cancelled. In the taxi, we listened to BBC local radio at just after midnight (Tuesday) and they had a caller from Taunton, 75 minutes after we had left the station to say that everyone left behind was seated on a train, and they had been offered water, and pizzas had been ordered, and it was likely they would be on the train all night.

Regarding payment to the taxi, the driver I had was part of a convoy and the other taxi driver was radioing him to ask if he had the "white form" . His answer was in the negative, and what was this form? Again total lack of any organisation by GWR, surely staff are trained to deal with this sort of situation where 500+ passengers are dumped at your station. Taunton is not a one man station or and unstaffed halt.

This was an ever changing situation due to waters rising in different places. No doubt the best laid plans were robust at one time but as I said, the position kept on changing, take diversionary route and then BANG - new flooding. Lack of information has been a bugbear for many years but often the people on the ground are not made aware of the full facts. Since privatisation, we have Network Rail having their ideas to keep trains moving and the TOCs trying to do their best for passengers also rather than working as one unit.
I don't know what happened at Hereford in the end when the Marches was blocked and trains terminating/re-starting there with hordes of passengers in view of the fact that ATW Journey Check reporting that the platform was unstaffed due to shortages.
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Talking of SW trains, how has Honiton been holding up ?

There were problems initially on Monday and Speed restrictions amd service curtailment imposed, but GWR diversions due to the closure of Cowley Bridge Jn have been running over the route since yesterday morning.
 
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This was an ever changing situation due to waters rising in different places. No doubt the best laid plans were robust at one time but as I said, the position kept on changing. Lack of information has been a bugbear for many years but often the people on the ground are not made aware of the full facts. Since privatisation, we have Network Rail having their ideas to keep trains moving and the TOCs trying to do their best for passengers also rather than working as one unit.
I don't know what happened at Hereford in the end when the Marches was blocked and trains terminating/re-starting there with hordes of passengers in view of the fact that ATW Journey Check reporting that the platform was unstaffed due to shortages.
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There were problems initially on Monday and Speed restrictions amd service curtailment imposed, but GWR diversions due to the closure of Cowley Bridge Jn have been running over the route since yesterday morning.

That's good to know it's proving useful. I think more double track for this section is a must.
 
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