Trivia: Platforms which have no trains scheduled to call there.

swt class 450 · 18 Dec 2016

Are there any trains that are scheduled to call at Platform 3 at Shawford?

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MidnightFlyer · 18 Dec 2016

swt class 450 said:
Are there any trains that are scheduled to call at Platform 3 at Shawford?

Hoping I've set this correctly:

http://www.opentraintimes.com/sched...[1482087978943][v][0][value]=OO&commit=Search

swt_passenger · 18 Dec 2016

Wookiee said:
Most of the time, that single arrival booked for platform 2 arrives on platform 3 anyway, prior to running ECS to Fratton.

I can't understand why they relaid all the track on platform 2 during the recent closure, given that there are no scheduled services. Seems like a waste of track and concrete sleepers! I think they missed a trick - should have made it a working bi-directional platform by running it on into platform 3 and sticking a crossover northbound at the Portsmouth end. This would allow the frequently late-running Southern services to be terminated without having to shunt into the Netley line, usually with a GWR right up their chuffer!

IIRC the P2 track had many sleepers that were completely shot, (and a few years ago I'd never seen such a large number of missing keys), but I think if they wanted to do a proper job of the formation through P3 it was probably best to do both sides anyway. Someone said they renewed the drains from the island? I noticed they re-used the original buffers though, modernising to latest standards would probably have meant another shortened operational length.

Many suggestions of adding a crossover at the Portsmouth end have been made over the years, and AIUI the bridge piers were designed to allow for a different wider steel deck to be fitted easily in future, i.e. they could have both P2 and P3 lines extending round the curve without serious rebuilding work.

Bromley boy · 18 Dec 2016

Hither Green platform 1 has a very limited service.

Not sure if it qualifies but Lullingstone station on the Maidstone East line in Kent has partially completed platforms, constructed during the 1930s, but was never actually opened. The platforms are recognisable as such from passing trains, although quite overgrown.

Hoo junction staff halt is now out of use, I believe, although an incredibly short "platform" of around one car length.

Martin66 · 18 Dec 2016

Platform 2 at Hartlepool (the bay platform)

D365 · 19 Dec 2016

Hasn't been mentioned and isn't National Rail, but Mudchute P3? According to Geoff Marshall of Londonist at least.

61653 HTAFC · 19 Dec 2016

D365 said:
Hasn't been mentioned and isn't National Rail, but Mudchute P3? According to Geoff Marshall of Londonist at least.

Mentioned by tsr in post #4...

adamt958 · 19 Dec 2016

Bridgend Platform 3, I think it was intended to be used for Maesteg trains but they ended up extending them all to Cardiff Central anyway. Used for trains that are terminated early or trains with problems.

Last time i seen it used was mid 2015 when there was a WCR Class 37 there for an hour or so

Class315 · 19 Dec 2016

Hadley Wood - Platform 2/3.

IanXC · 19 Dec 2016

Crossover said:
Isn't 5 at Moor St the one that used to have the steam engine in it? If so, it certainly didn't used to have a connection, but it may have changed since I was last round there

It certainly is! It's not signalled or anything even...

Martin66 said:
Platform 2 at Hartlepool (the bay platform)

Nope, this has booked services from Darlington terminating on Sundays.

TobyH · 19 Dec 2016

I see P4 at Hereford has been mentioned. Long time since I've seen anything use it.

Don't think I've ever seen anything use P3 at Worcester Shrub Hill other than for stabling.

Timrud · 19 Dec 2016

Platform 7 at Sheffield only seems to get used when things aren't running on time and other platforms are busy

takno · 19 Dec 2016

TobyH said:
Don't think I've ever seen anything use P3 at Worcester Shrub Hill other than for stabling.

It gets used quite regularly by Bristol trains

Kneedown · 20 Dec 2016

thenorthern said:
I think its used by East Midlands Trains for the first and last trains of the day.

Pretty sure all EMT services are booked use P4. I can only recall going into 2 and 3 very few times over the years, and not recently.

Kneedown · 20 Dec 2016

CommuterPigeon said:
Don't know for definite but Skegness has 4 usable platforms and only an hourly service so I imagine not all 4 of those are used?

Yep, only 3 and 4 are currently used. HST's can only use 4. That's up to the Signaller to get right as there is no indication as to what platform the route is set for.

CommuterPigeon · 20 Dec 2016

Timrud said:
Platform 7 at Sheffield only seems to get used when things aren't running on time and other platforms are busy

Not heavily used but EMT use it for a handful of St Pancras services and to reverse some of their Norwich - Liverpool services in. TPE use it for their evening services that terminate at Sheffield as well and I think Northern use it once or twice a day too.

swt class 450 · 20 Dec 2016

I dont think Platform 3 at Newhaven Harbour has any trains scheduled to call there? Is the track at this platform even still in use as it looks very overgrown?

D365 · 20 Dec 2016

61653 HTAFC said:
Mentioned by tsr in post #4...

My bad, at least I added a citation :oops:

Buspilot · 20 Dec 2016

Platform 2 at Fuengirola.

Wookiee · 20 Dec 2016

swt_passenger said:
IIRC the P2 track had many sleepers that were completely shot, (and a few years ago I'd never seen such a large number of missing keys), but I think if they wanted to do a proper job of the formation through P3 it was probably best to do both sides anyway. Someone said they renewed the drains from the island? I noticed they re-used the original buffers though, modernising to latest standards would probably have meant another shortened operational length.

Many suggestions of adding a crossover at the Portsmouth end have been made over the years, and AIUI the bridge piers were designed to allow for a different wider steel deck to be fitted easily in future, i.e. they could have both P2 and P3 lines extending round the curve without serious rebuilding work.

Thanks for the info. Interesting that the crossover idea keeps coming up but no-one seems to want to sponsor it.

Crossover · 20 Dec 2016

Buspilot said:
Platform 2 at Fuengirola.

Where?!

rg177 · 20 Dec 2016

Crossover said:
Where?!

At the end of the Málaga Cercanias Line 1 (Spain)
Come to think of it, I'd never even noticed there was a Platform 2 there.

richard1976 · 20 Dec 2016

Does anything use platforms 6 & 7 at Wimbledon or are they just used then the tennis is on

Tw99 · 20 Dec 2016

theageofthetra said:
Up and down fast platforms at Petts Wood, Chislehurst, Elmstead Woods and Grove Park. Up fast at Hither Green afaik.

RTT suggests you're right for Petts Wood as everything is listed as 3 or 4. That's changed since I used to commute from there in the early '80s, I definitely used to catch the down stopper to Sevenoaks from platform 2.

MidnightFlyer · 20 Dec 2016

richard1976 said:
Does anything use platforms 6 & 7 at Wimbledon or are they just used then the tennis is on

I did note when I was there back in August on a Sunday that trains were calling at 6 and 7. Turns out they are booked for use by the Basingstoke services.

61653 HTAFC · 20 Dec 2016

swt class 450 said:
I dont think Platform 3 at Newhaven Harbour has any trains scheduled to call there? Is the track at this platform even still in use as it looks very overgrown?

It doesn't exist! Are you perhaps thinking of Newhaven Marine station, the status of which is really rather ridiculous! A search for "Newhaven Marine" on the forums will show that it has probably the highest ratio of mentions compared with tickets sold!

swt class 450 · 20 Dec 2016

61653 HTAFC said:
It doesn't exist! Are you perhaps thinking of Newhaven Marine station, the status of which is really rather ridiculous! A search for "Newhaven Marine" on the forums will show that it has probably the highest ratio of mentions compared with tickets sold!

No there is definitely a Platform 3 at Newhaven Harbour (not Newhaven Marine). I was just there yesterday. Platform 1 and Platform 2 are the main platforms while Platform 3 is a bay platform towards the North end of the Platform 2. There is still a track in place but it is very overgrown (similar to Norwood Junction Platform 7).

MidnightFlyer · 20 Dec 2016

swt class 450 said:
No there is definitely a Platform 3 at Newhaven Harbour (not Newhaven Marine). I was just there yesterday. Platform 1 and Platform 2 are the main platforms while Platform 3 is a bay platform towards the North end of the Platform 2. There is still a track in place but it is very overgrown (similar to Norwood Junction Platform 7).

Quail shows what you described as a padlocked [out of use], non-electrified siding that has been as such since at least 1994, it definitely is not a platform. Photographs of Newhaven Marine from way back when show its sole platform as being labeled platform 3, in effect treated as the third platform of Harbour.

Edit - the SA doesn't even acknowledge such a siding existing.

61653 HTAFC · 20 Dec 2016

swt class 450 said:
No there is definitely a Platform 3 at Newhaven Harbour (not Newhaven Marine). I was just there yesterday. Platform 1 and Platform 2 are the main platforms while Platform 3 is a bay platform towards the North end of the Platform 2. There is still a track in place but it is very overgrown (similar to Norwood Junction Platform 7).

I checked on NRE before replying- it isn't mentioned or included on the plan so it must be out of use. The distance to NVM is shorter than moving between platforms at some stations- though it isn't a location I'm familiar with so apologies if I sounded patronising. :oops:

takno · 20 Dec 2016

MidnightFlyer said:
Quail shows what you described as a padlocked [out of use], non-electrified siding that has been as such since at least 1994, it definitely is not a platform. Photographs of Newhaven Marine from way back when show its sole platform as being labeled platform 3, in effect treated as the third platform of Harbour.

Edit - the SA doesn't even acknowledge such a siding existing.

Google maps satellite view shows the sidings still tracked, but with connection onto the running lines anymore, which is why they'll have dropped off the Sectional Appendix

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