Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

Class377/5 · 30 Dec 2016

Suraggu said:
No that has been proposed by Alliance Rail but many across the industry have said it is unworkable and will not create growth.

NR said the paths exists post Waterloo works.

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randyrippley · 31 Dec 2016

Do the 442s have a core power bus with end-jumpers (if that's the right description)? If you coupled a coach with a diesel generator onboard up to a five or ten car set could it deliver power through a DC bus to the existing traction motors?

t_star2001uk · 31 Dec 2016

AFAIK there is a power train line to transfer power between the shoes and the motor coach. There used to be ETS sockets on each end but that is to supply hotel power only and not traction.

cjmillsnun · 1 Jan 2017

randyrippley said:
Do the 442s have a core power bus with end-jumpers (if that's the right description)? If you coupled a coach with a diesel generator onboard up to a five or ten car set could it deliver power through a DC bus to the existing traction motors?

IIRC there are sockets for shed leads but these were on the MBLS (now the MBC).

Not much good for coupling on the front. Also you'd need one hell of a generator coach to supply that kind of power. It would need to supply 750V at 1600A to drive the motors alone at the same rating as they are on third rail (from standstill - this load will decrease with speed). That doesn't take into account compressors, lighting, heating, air con etc.

N Levers · 2 Jan 2017

Any date for when the last few leave?

Class377/5 · 3 Jan 2017

N Levers said:
Any date for when the last few leave?

Leave GTR? Not a set in stone date at present.

Stew998 · 3 Jan 2017

Caught one this morning from HHE to LBG, whilst I won't miss their poor timekeeping, temperamental doors and patchy aircon I will miss the space and comfort which make 319s and 700s feel like portakabins on wheels.

03_179 · 4 Jan 2017

442410 & 442419 today on 1F82 07:12 Eastbourne to London Bridge.

Stew998 · 4 Jan 2017

03_179 said:
442410 & 442419 today on 1F82 07:12 Eastbourne to London Bridge.

Joined this at Wivelsfield, there was little or no heating on the carriage I boarded and when we arrived at London Bridge the guard apologised for the excessive heat and cold in different parts of the train. Evidently there was a delay at Lewes to eject an aggressive beggar although we arrived on time at London Bridge.

spark001uk · 5 Jan 2017

Another 2 units coming back down from storage, just came past me near Brentford. Maybe to replace the above units with the defective HVAC.?

Consist was 47815/2405/2424

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Today (Fri 6th) 47815 went back up to Ely with 2423.
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Dart34518 · 14 Jan 2017

2402 & 2408 will form 1G33 12.32 Brighton-Ashford as far as Eastbourne today.

Cheers

AY

RichardKing · 14 Jan 2017

Yandell01 said:
2402 & 2408 will form 1G33 12.32 Brighton-Ashford as far as Eastbourne today.

Cheers

AY

Now, this must be the most bizarre service the 442s have ever worked on the GTR network. I recall them working a special service from Brighton to Eastbourne just before Christmas, but for them to replace a 171! Those who were expecting a fairly packed 2 car must've received a very big shock!

387star · 14 Jan 2017

Stew998 said:
Caught one this morning from HHE to LBG, whilst I won't miss their poor timekeeping, temperamental doors and patchy aircon I will miss the space and comfort which make 319s and 700s feel like portakabins on wheels.

Their ride is second to none almost feels like you are gliding when you are in the, perhaps because the coaches are raised more than most stock above the rails (or is that just an illusion?)
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RichardKing said:
Now, this must be the most bizarre service the 442s have ever worked on the GTR network. I recall them working a special service from Brighton to Eastbourne just before Christmas, but for them to replace a 171! Those who were expecting a fairly packed 2 car must've received a very big shock!

What's the plan for the marshlink then? Were there to be extra 170s from scotrail that are now staying put or were they originally intended for uckfields?

Or 319 hybrids if the experiement proves a success

MatthewRead · 14 Jan 2017

387star said:
Their ride is second to none almost feels like you are gliding when you are in the, perhaps because the coaches are raised more than most stock above the rails (or is that just an illusion?)
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What's the plan for the marshlink then? Were there to be extra 170s from scotrail that are now staying put or were they originally intended for uckfields?

Or 319 hybrids if the experiement proves a success

Or how about loco hauled 442's

JonathanH · 14 Jan 2017

387star said:
Their ride is second to none almost feels like you are gliding when you are in the, perhaps because the coaches are raised more than most stock above the rails (or is that just an illusion?)
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What's the plan for the marshlink then? Were there to be extra 170s from scotrail that are now staying put or were they originally intended for uckfields?

Or 319 hybrids if the experiement proves a success

The plan for Marshlink was set out plain and clear in the GTR timetable consultation:

* The extra 170s aren't coming from Scotrail.

At the time of writing, it is unlikely that there will be any additional diesel units available to strengthen the current services to three or four carriage trains.

* The Ashford service either gets cut at Eastbourne or Hastings with 377s doing the rest or the current service remains but with its current limited capacity.

We are aware that some people strongly support through journeys between Brighton and Ashford International however in its current form we are unable to address some of the significant crowding issues that ultimately limit the potential of growth throughout the region as passengers seek to avoid using the train.

Which option do you support?

* Operate longer electric trains between Brighton and Eastbourne with connections to and from a two carriage diesel train between Eastbourne and Ashford International.

* Operate longer electric trains between Brighton and Hastings with connections to and from a two carriage diesel train between Hastings and Ashford International

*Continue to operate through trains between Brighton and Ashford International with the understanding that current capacity issues on the route are unlikely to be addressed in the short and medium term.

But, it does beg the question as to what 170416-170420 were going to be used for if they had come as 170421-170424 have enabled the three Uckfield peak services to go to 10-car.

trainmania100 · 14 Jan 2017

Caught the 442s arriving into Eastbourne today on 1G33
Love the sound of the motors

(Video in sig)

Bishopstone · 14 Jan 2017

Yandell01 said:
2402 & 2408 will form 1G33 12.32 Brighton-Ashford as far as Eastbourne today.

Cheers

AY

Was this a convenient move to get 2x442 to Eastbourne ready for the Up London Bridge on Monday? Or is there another explanation?

spark001uk · 15 Jan 2017

I agree with the ride quality, I'm real glad I did the ROG Poole tour. Perfectly smooth and silent, had the very front coach to myself on the down journey. 15 and 18 performed flawlessly throughout.

Dart34518 · 15 Jan 2017

Bishopstone said:
Was this a convenient move to get 2x442 to Eastbourne ready for the Up London Bridge on Monday? Or is there another explanation?

Stock Balancing move for Monday Morning.

Class377/5 · 16 Jan 2017

The other week a 442 ran Brighton to Eastbourne direct in service as a stock move.

trainmania100 · 16 Jan 2017

Class377/5 said:
The other week a 442 ran Brighton to Eastbourne direct in service as a stock move.

Hopefully more to come

Id love a final ride on one

Class377/5 · 16 Jan 2017

trainmania100 said:
Hopefully more to come
Id love a final ride on one

Unique one off as a staff member worked additionally to be the guard.

Get your rides in now while you can, not long left.

spark001uk · 16 Jan 2017

Class377/5 said:
Get your rides in now while you can, not long left.

You forgot about their new life as LHCS.

Class455 · 16 Jan 2017

I've just read in the RAIL magazine about the 442's going off lease. So will this mean some 377/5's will transfer to Southern after all?

physics34 · 16 Jan 2017

Class455 said:
I've just read in the RAIL magazine about the 442's going off lease. So will this mean some 377/5's will transfer to Southern after all?

377/2s are on their way back at moment. still dont know when the 5s will...

Class455 · 16 Jan 2017

physics34 said:
377/2s are on their way back at moment. still dont know when the 5s will...

i see now, the 8 377/2's coming from Thameslink will indirectly replace the 442's. RAIL magazine said 377/5's which got me confused but then I remembered they're all going to Southeastern (unless plans change again)

387star · 16 Jan 2017

Saw a 442 at east croydon this evening on the london bridge to brighton service

Be a shame to see these piggies gone although they were ill suited to the gat express

Class377/5 · 16 Jan 2017

Class455 said:
I've just read in the RAIL magazine about the 442's going off lease. So will this mean some 377/5's will transfer to Southern after all?

All 377/5 are returning to Southern.
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Class455 said:
i see now, the 8 377/2's coming from Thameslink will indirectly replace the 442's. RAIL magazine said 377/5's which got me confused but then I remembered they're all going to Southeastern (unless plans change again)

Assume that's changed until formally announced.

And not sure how 32x 377s going to SE comes from 23x 377/5 either.

infobleep · 19 Jan 2017

I saw a 442 at East Croydon yesterday heading to London Bridge. This would have been around 17.45.

BingBong50 · 19 Jan 2017

Does anyone have any photos of the 442's in storage at Ely or is it an inaccessible area?

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