GWR Class 800

leomartin125 · 24 Dec 2016

BananaRepublic said:
There is only one IEP.
There probably won't be another one for 27 years!

Yeah the previous day's move to from Stoke Gifford to North Pole was formed of 800004 + 800003, so was wondering whether they would keep that formation up to Doncaster Carr. Personally glad 800004 is back at North Pole for Christmas.

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ExTankieAaron · 24 Dec 2016

T1 and T3 are in Doncaster T4 is in London T2 at Stoke Gifford. T5 and T6 still at Newton and only got knows where T58 has gotten too. Might be at that RIDC place. dunno.

coppercapped · 24 Dec 2016

leomartin125 said:
Yeah the previous day's move to from Stoke Gifford to North Pole was formed of 800004 + 800003, so was wondering whether they would keep that formation up to Doncaster Carr. Personally glad 800004 is back at North Pole for Christmas.

Doh! BananaRepublic's post which you quoted referred to there being only one IEP, probably for the next 27 years. I disagree - there won't be another Intercity Express Programme for the next 27 1/2 years.

D1009 · 31 Dec 2016

Tracked said:
Did, that's why I said I was guessing it was 003 after seeing your post where you'd said it was presumably the only one, as I didn't catch the number on it - which you'd have seen in my post :roll:

Incidentally, you've quoted the wrong person.

Looks like it's coming back to Stoke Gifford on Monday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97132/2017/01/02/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97131/2017/01/02/advanced

Also just noticed these new GWR WTT paths, are these for the eventual start of driver training?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22431/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22411/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22417/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22419/2017/01/03/advanced

fgwrich · 31 Dec 2016

D1009 said:
Looks like it's coming back to Stoke Gifford on Monday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97132/2017/01/02/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97131/2017/01/02/advanced

Also just noticed these new GWR WTT paths, are these for the eventual start of driver training?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22431/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22411/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22417/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22419/2017/01/03/advanced

Hmm. Those paths are timed for a Turbo - 165/166 90MPH Max. Either way now showing as Cancelled.

JN114 · 31 Dec 2016

D1009 said:
Also just noticed these new GWR WTT paths, are these for the eventual start of driver training?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22431/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22411/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22417/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22419/2017/01/03/advanced

The paths were bid for for the Winter 2016/2017 timetable. All I can say on the matter is Don't be surprised if they find themselves somewhat under-utilised in the coming months.

leomartin125 · 1 Jan 2017

D1009 said:
Looks like it's coming back to Stoke Gifford on Monday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97132/2017/01/02/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97131/2017/01/02/advanced

Also just noticed these new GWR WTT paths, are these for the eventual start of driver training?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22431/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22411/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22417/2017/01/03/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C22419/2017/01/03/advanced

As I've asked a few driver trainers at Paddington, they have all stated that the IEP driver training for GWR won't start until Spring or late Spring 2017. So I wouldn't expect any training just yet.

SpacePhoenix · 1 Jan 2017

How long will it probably take a driver to complete the training course? Will the guard's training course on them last anywhere near as long?

D1009 · 1 Jan 2017

JN114 said:
Don't be surprised if they find themselves somewhat under-utilised in the coming months.

leomartin125 said:
As I've asked a few driver trainers at Paddington, they have all stated that the IEP driver training for GWR won't start until Spring or late Spring 2017. So I wouldn't expect any training just yet.

That's why I included the word eventual in my post

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Typhoon_93 · 3 Jan 2017

Factory reopened today with a delivery of 3 x shells from Tees Port for IEP019/T19 800019.

Maybe of interest to someone.

Gareth

SpacePhoenix · 3 Jan 2017

When are VTEC drivers due to start their training?

Devonman2014 · 3 Jan 2017

Can someone please advise at Newton Aycliffe how many vehicles / coaches are on the production line at once.
This leads onto the question how often IEP's are due to come off the line for delivery, one a fortnight, one a week ??
I appreciate they are also doing 385 builds alongside the IEP builds.

Typhoon_93 · 4 Jan 2017

According to the acceptance schedule they start being accepted 1 train per week from 25 May 2017.

leomartin125 · 4 Jan 2017

SpacePhoenix said:
When are VTEC drivers due to start their training?

Well if GWR drivers don't start their driver training until late Spring 2017, with services due to start in Summer 2017, then I can't see VTEC even looking at driver training till the end of 2017, early 2018. Remember, as of now VTEC only have one IEP...

ic250 · 4 Jan 2017

Why are the electric IEP trains for the ECML being ordered as 9 car variants? Surely the infrastructure can take 11-cars, and this will soon be required as passenger numbers continue to rise?

najaB · 4 Jan 2017

ic250 said:
Why are the electric IEP trains for the ECML being ordered as 9 car variants? Surely the infrastructure can take 11-cars, and this will soon be required as passenger numbers continue to rise?

Don't forget they are 26m carriages. 11 x 26m makes them too long for many platforms currently used by HSTs.

D365 · 4 Jan 2017

Yep, as nine or 2x5 car units (which are an equivalent capacity to 1x9) they are already longer than the existing Mk3/Mk4 rakes.

HSTEd · 4 Jan 2017

Should have ordered ten car units.
Since they will fit everywhere 2x5 will fit.

hulabaloo · 4 Jan 2017

Apologies if this has already been answered but does anyone know if there is a realistic chance that these will run at 140mph in the near future?

Domh245 · 4 Jan 2017

hulabaloo said:
Apologies if this has already been answered but does anyone know if there is a realistic chance that these will run at 140mph in the near future?

Define near!

hulabaloo · 4 Jan 2017

Domh245 said:
Define near!

I was originally going to say in my lifetime, but I haven't a clue how long I've got left!

najaB · 4 Jan 2017

HSTEd said:
Should have ordered ten car units.
Since they will fit everywhere 2x5 will fit.

I don't work for the DfT, but my guess is that 9 car units provide a capacity boost v the existing stock to remove the pressure that they're under now. The factory is going to be open for a while to with all the orders that are coming in so they can place orders for carriages to take the 9 car units up to 10 at a later date.

D365 · 4 Jan 2017

I believe the other reason for only speccing nine cars on the 'full length' units was so that a 2x5 car can substitute if needed without losing a carriage worth of seats.

WatcherZero · 4 Jan 2017

hulabaloo said:
I was originally going to say in my lifetime, but I haven't a clue how long I've got left!

Been on and off talk about upping ECML speeds over the years so something may happen in the distant future. Also a new high speed line in to Newcastle bypassing commuter stations is being considered that would allow 140mph running.

Noddy · 4 Jan 2017

WatcherZero said:
Been on and off talk about upping ECML speeds over the years so something may happen in the distant future. Also a new high speed line in to Newcastle bypassing commuter stations is being considered that would allow 140mph running.

Surely the Selby bypass could be upgraded pretty quickly once the signalling is sorted. It was built for 150mph+ by BR.

najaB · 4 Jan 2017

Noddy said:
Surely the Selby bypass could be upgraded pretty quickly once the signalling is sorted. It was built for 150mph+ by BR.

This was discussed not that long ago, can't remember which thread it was though (probably a HS2 one). I don't think anyone could provide a source that said it was specifically designed for 150mph+, but studies have identified several places on the ECML that can support linespeeds in excess of 125mph without major permanent way upgrades being needed and the Selby diversion was indeed one of them.

JN114 · 5 Jan 2017

leomartin125 said:
Well if GWR drivers don't start their driver training until late Spring 2017, with services due to start in Summer 2017, then I can't see VTEC even looking at driver training till the end of 2017, early 2018. Remember, as of now VTEC only have one IEP...

Strictly speaking VTEC (nor GWR) have any yet. They're all still on Hitachi's books while certification continues. That one of the units ultimately destined for VTEC is being used in the test program is immaterial - it's Hitachi's unit until it is delivered to VTEC, which won't be for a while yet!
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najaB said:
This was discussed not that long ago, can't remember which thread it was though (probably a HS2 one). I don't think anyone could provide a source that said it was specifically designed for 150mph+, but studies have identified several places on the ECML that can support linespeeds in excess of 125mph without major permanent way upgrades being needed and the Selby diversion was indeed one of them.

If I recall it was the IEP spec documentation, and it was 160mph that the permanent way was believed to be fit for.

deltic08 · 5 Jan 2017

D365 said:
Yep, as nine or 2x5 car units (which are an equivalent capacity to 1x9) they are already longer than the existing Mk3/Mk4 rakes.

But the end units of Mk3/4 rakes are not passenger carrying cars.

Yes, why not have fixed 10 car units if they are the equivalent length of 2x5 cars?

Where would an 11-car set not be able to fit? Surely only Kings Cross and Paddington.

jopsuk · 5 Jan 2017

deltic08 said:
Where would an 11-car set not be able to fit? Surely only Kings Cross and Paddington.

It would be a pretty major issue if the trains couldn't fit in the platforms at the one station on each route that almost every service uses.

Spod · 5 Jan 2017

I believe ETCS / ERTMS is planned as far as Doncaster for now, at which point 140 mph will be possible where the infrastructure permits.

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