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Birmingham area. Major infrastructure work to start at Christmas 2017

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Many will be affected by these essential works, here is an early heads up from WMCA documents.

"TfWM are also working with London Midland, Network Rail and other Train
Operating Companies to plan the management of the New Street and Soho
area signalling works being undertaken over the Christmas period this year.
This will see major railway closures taking place during late December and early
January to allow for the renewal of a large amount of 1966 signalling which is
now life expired together with the recasting, remodelling, upgrading and
renewing of key track junctions. The £246m scheme will deliver a number of
passenger and operational benefits including improved reliability, increased
track capacity, enhanced line speeds exiting New Street and provision of turn
back systems. Closures will affect the various parts of the network from the
evening of 23/12/2017 to 03/01/2018. Main impacts will be on services on the
Chase Line, Birmingham to Wolverhampton and the Snow Hill line. Entry and
exit of Soho Depot which stables and maintains some of London Midland’s
electric trains will also be affected and this will need to be carefully managed.
As more detail on timescales, areas affected by the blockades and passenger
impacts are known, updates will be provided to committee. Further works are
also planned in May 2018 around Birmingham International and in December
2021 around New Street Station."

Link to full document package:- https://westmidlandscombinedauthori...transport-delivery-committee-3-april-2017.pdf
 
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Phases 4 and 5 of New St re-signalling. Plenty of opportunities to go via the Grands between Christmas and New Year as New St to Wolves is shut. Would hardly say much is being massively improved to be fair. Not sure why Snow Hill will be affected, anything going on there is overnight. Phase 6 between Adderley Park and Hampton in Arden plus Stechford Aston is late May 18.
 

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Does "new turnback facilities" mean more bay platforms like 4c?
I thought one was proposed for the east end.
If so I hope they put a canopy up for them.
It's always raining when I go for the Liverpool...
 

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The long term plan for Birmingham Snow Hill is for the old tram platform to be joined up and connected, though I'm not sure how that will work going south as there will be a hell of a lot of tunneling to do. Also the extra lines at Moor Street will be platformed. There are other plans to introduce commuter stations at Kings Heath and Moseley.
 

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Does "new turnback facilities" mean more bay platforms like 4c?
I thought one was proposed for the east end.
If so I hope they put a canopy up for them.
It's always raining when I go for the Liverpool...

No, it means turnback signals at stations outside New St if it all goes belly up. Sandwell and Dudley, Aston etc...
 

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The long term plan for Birmingham Snow Hill is for the old tram platform to be joined up and connected, though I'm not sure how that will work going south as there will be a hell of a lot of tunneling to do. Also the extra lines at Moor Street will be platformed. There are other plans to introduce commuter stations at Kings Heath and Moseley.

Those plans are unfunded at present, these works are the NR renewal project.
 

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The long term plan for Birmingham Snow Hill is for the old tram platform to be joined up and connected, though I'm not sure how that will work going south as there will be a hell of a lot of tunneling to do.

I must be missing something. What tunnelling is required to make platform 4 accessible to the south? It is roughly on the site of platform 12 of the previous station, the outer face of the up island platform, and that had full southbound access.
 

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The long term plan for Birmingham Snow Hill is for the old tram platform to be joined up and connected, though I'm not sure how that will work going south as there will be a hell of a lot of tunneling to do.

Pre-Metro that platform was connected at the south end.

As for these infrastructure works, presumably when they talk about line speed increases it means they're finally going to replace Soho North Jct? There's been a TSR there for a few years now. Even reduced to 40mph it's pretty rough...
 

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No, only after phase 7 which is in 2021. Will dig out the plans at some point to clarify Soho North.
 
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No, only after phase 7 which is in 2021. Will dig out the plans at some point to clarify Soho North.

Thanks. Chatting with an NR signalling engineer recently, I asked what the plan was for the box, seeing as it's grade II listed. He said there was little/no value in retaining it as a training facility, as it bares no resemblance to modern signalling centres. I suggested it could be turned into a railway themed pub/bar (The Signal Box). Not many windows, but surely there's potential to make a virtue out of this unusual building.
 
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Thanks. Chatting with an NR signalling engineer recently, I asked what the plan was for the box, seeing as it's grade II listed. He said there was little/no value in retaining it as a training facility, as it bares no resemblance to modern signalling centres. I suggested it could be turned into a railway themed pub/bar (The Signal Box). Not many windows, but surely there's potential to make a virtue out of this unusual building.

I've been thinking about exactly this myself. I also thought of an industrial / West Midlands railway museum - but the pub would be good
 
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A listed building does not have to be retained. Instead of knocking it down, it could be moved, for instance.

Given its styling, may I suggest next to the mausoleum, Red square, Moscow?

I'm one of those people who were really pleased that the rotunda was retained, and given Birmingham's purge of its brutalist architecture, i would like to see the signal box remain. It is a style which characterised a certain era in the city.
 

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The long term plan for Birmingham Snow Hill is for the old tram platform to be joined up and connected, though I'm not sure how that will work going south as there will be a hell of a lot of tunneling to do. Also the extra lines at Moor Street will be platformed. There are other plans to introduce commuter stations at Kings Heath and Moseley.

What are these extra lines? I thought it was just two through and three bays?
 

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Soho North has been a problem on and off for as long as I can remember, it would be nice to see some detail.

The fixed diamond goes. The Up through siding becomes the Up Soho curve and the down line uses the existing crossovers. The overlap issue is sorted too so a train can actually get to Soho North instead of having to be held back.
 

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What are these extra lines? I thought it was just two through and three bays?

Only 2 of the 3 bays are in use, the 3rd has a rather rusty and overgrown track which has been physically severed from the main line. There is also a 4th line adjacent to the disused platform but adding a platform here would necessitate a cantilever structure over Moor Street itself.
 

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If you were coming from Perry Barr and wanted to go towards Sandwell and Dudley or towards Stourbridge, the overlap of the protecting signal at Soho North extended out onto the main lines. Therefore you couldn't hold a train there as the route had to time out blocking the mains. Same applies coming off the chord from Stourbridge but I think that overlap stays so we either hold back on the Snow Hill lines or find a way of routing right across in one go which isn't easy.
 

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If you were coming from Perry Barr and wanted to go towards Sandwell and Dudley or towards Stourbridge, the overlap of the protecting signal at Soho North extended out onto the main lines. Therefore you couldn't hold a train there as the route had to time out blocking the mains. Same applies coming off the chord from Stourbridge but I think that overlap stays so we either hold back on the Snow Hill lines or find a way of routing right across in one go which isn't easy.

Thanks for the info. will the entry speed into the former up though siding come up curve be increased? I know the speed round that side of the triangle is an issue, a bit sharp round that!
 

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Depends on the route, if it goes on the Up Soho Curve it is 15mph as it is now I think, if it uses the Down Soho Curve and crosses immediately back over (which it will be able to do) then it is 20mph.
 

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Only 2 of the 3 bays are in use, the 3rd has a rather rusty and overgrown track which has been physically severed from the main line. There is also a 4th line adjacent to the disused platform but adding a platform here would necessitate a cantilever structure over Moor Street itself.

Didn't realise 5 was OOU, thanks. I'll have a look when I'm next there.
 

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If you were coming from Perry Barr and wanted to go towards Sandwell and Dudley or towards Stourbridge, the overlap of the protecting signal at Soho North extended out onto the main lines. Therefore you couldn't hold a train there as the route had to time out blocking the mains. Same applies coming off the chord from Stourbridge but I think that overlap stays so we either hold back on the Snow Hill lines or find a way of routing right across in one go which isn't easy.
Thanks. I realised there was an issue at Galton, but didn't realise it was also the case at Soho North. Both chords are not regularly used by passenger trains apart from weekend diversions, and certainly in the case of Galton, there isn't enough space for a typical freight train to stand at the signal protecting Galton Jn without the rear of it blocking the line at Smethwick West anyway.
 

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Thanks. I realised there was an issue at Galton, but didn't realise it was also the case at Soho North. Both chords are not regularly used by passenger trains apart from weekend diversions, and certainly in the case of Galton, there isn't enough space for a typical freight train to stand at the signal protecting Galton Jn without the rear of it blocking the line at Smethwick West anyway.

The East chord at Soho is used by inbound Chase line services. As for the Galton thing, the distance between Smethwick Jcn and Galton Jcn will be to short to do much with as you say.
 
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