Blindtraveler
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At my polling station at 06:58 today. Labour.
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I want to vote labour, but the only way of realistically overturning the Tory in my constituency is a tactical LIb dem vote.
In the locals last month it was a close ran thing between Tory and lib dem with labour off the bottom of the scale.
I haven't decided whether to go with my labour principal or go tactical
In the locals last month it was a close ran thing between Tory and lib dem with labour off the bottom of the scale.
I haven't decided whether to go with my labour principal or go tactical
For most voters who operates the trains isn't an important matter when it comes to decide which party to vote for.
Perhaps you'd like to explain why you always vote Conservative giving reasons how a Conservative government benefits the country as a whole. Even Theresa May has struggled to explain how another five years of Conservative rule would benefit the country as a whole.
chris89
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Would be voting for Labour, But since Ludlow area is such a strong Conservative area. Only people closest to get them out is the Lib Dem's.
At least what tactical 2017 says.
At least what tactical 2017 says.
Looking at voting history it seems the formation of the Social Democrats and them forming an alliance with the Liberal Party before merging with them, was the reason the Lib Dems took seats like Southport. In the case of Sheffield Hallam it does look like a number of Labour voters switched to Lib Dem in 1997 to get rid of the Tory but the Tory candidate in 1997 got almost 3,000 fewer votes than the Lib Dem candidate got in 1992, so you could argue the Labour voters didn't win them the seat but the extra Lib Dem votes made it it safe seat for them.
DarloRich
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I will vote Labour. You will know I don't like Corbyn but he has grown on me during the campaign. He is good out on the stump and has come over well on TV against May who has looked awful. he is less good under scrutiny and when challenged on his past views.
While I don't like Corbyn ,as was pointed out to me, you don't stop supporting your football team because they have a crap manager! I have always voted Labour and could never vote for the Conservatives as I disagree with application of their core principles. Plus I come from the North East. We know what the Conservatives do to you given the chance. You can not trust a word that leaves the lips of a Tory candidate.
We have a likable candidate in MK South but I don't think she will over turn the C.8600 Tory majority
because with many conservatives it boils down to I'm all right Jack.
Agreed - surely in a democracy we are supposed to hold and express our opinions. If someone wants to vote Tory then that is their choice. I think they are mad and will regret it at some point but to ostracize them because of that surely isnt in the spirit of a living in a tolerant liberal democracy!
While I don't like Corbyn ,as was pointed out to me, you don't stop supporting your football team because they have a crap manager! I have always voted Labour and could never vote for the Conservatives as I disagree with application of their core principles. Plus I come from the North East. We know what the Conservatives do to you given the chance. You can not trust a word that leaves the lips of a Tory candidate.
We have a likable candidate in MK South but I don't think she will over turn the C.8600 Tory majority
because with many conservatives it boils down to I'm all right Jack.
Agreed - surely in a democracy we are supposed to hold and express our opinions. If someone wants to vote Tory then that is their choice. I think they are mad and will regret it at some point but to ostracize them because of that surely isnt in the spirit of a living in a tolerant liberal democracy!
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Please at least go to the polling station and spoil your ballot. If you can't bring yourself to pick one, scrawl the words "none of the above", or vote for a ridiculous write-on candidate (may I suggest Mr Blobby?), or draw a penis or... anything. Better to turn up and use that vote than not turn up. And you can maybe have some fun while you do it.
I voted Labour. I feel like I need to go and take a shower now. It's much more palatable than the alternative, and I did realise that I'd marginally prefer to see Jeremy Corbyn enter number 10 (however impossible that may be) than Theresa May. That was just enough to swing it for me. Had I voted for someone else or spoiled my ballot, I'd have been unhappy if the Tories got in on a margin of 1 and regretted my decision. So this was the least unpalatable option for me.
One thing to remember is if we have a hung parliament it's possible another party might only agree to work with the largest party if the current leader steps down. Neither May nor Corbyn give the impression they would be willing to make compromises like Cameron did in order to get the Lib Dems to work with them. May gives the impression that if another party leader said "We'll work with you on condition that the country stays in the single market" that she'd laugh at them and then say "We can't do that. We need to be strong and stable."
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because with many conservatives it boils down to I'm all right Jack.
The Lib Dem candidate for Tatton has said he's spoken to quite a few people who tell him they are voting Conservative but when he asks if they support Conservative policies like cuts to education funding, cuts to local bus services etc. they don't.
AlterEgo
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Part of this problem is the fact that Tory voting is often seen as an aspirational vote - people in lower middle classes thinking they're the kind of people Tories protect, one of "the set". They aren't at all.
The Tories entrench unionism and well-off people, and that is about it - politics for the 5%.
Blindtraveler
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OMG in total shock here.
Me123
hasnt voted SNP!
Theres hope for the world as we know it yet, Iv found a rare breed indeed, a stornch indii/SNP supporter who votes for someone other than the SNP!
This post is not ment spitefully but I genuinely thought that anyone with the Onnerable Gentlemans views was capable of thinking and voting outside the box. I am cheered by this given the sort of spiteful SNP are the only party bullying on facebook of late.
Me123
hasnt voted SNP!
Theres hope for the world as we know it yet, Iv found a rare breed indeed, a stornch indii/SNP supporter who votes for someone other than the SNP!
This post is not ment spitefully but I genuinely thought that anyone with the Onnerable Gentlemans views was capable of thinking and voting outside the box. I am cheered by this given the sort of spiteful SNP are the only party bullying on facebook of late.
DarloRich
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Crazy isnt it? Aspiration has been captured as a Tory "thing" and suggests that those voting Labour lack aspiration. :roll: Personally I would change the word Aspiration for greed or jealousy/envy in Tory terms!
You may not be aware of my relocation to the Vale of Clwyd constituency. The SNP didn't field a candidate here in North Wales
I'd have voted SNP if I was still in Scotland.And I have voted for the Scottish Greens in the past.
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Blindtraveler
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This explains a lot although one wonders why you didnt lend your support to the Welsh Nationalists? A much closer fit to your political leanings Id have though.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Perhaps at the ripe old age of 72, I am old enough to know how fiscally profligate the Labour Party have always been with no care whatsoever as to the amount of borrowing they take on in the knowledge that they can decry other parties who take over as Government of the day from whom falls the responsibility to try to repay some of this "manna from Socialist heaven"..
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AlterEgo
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Perhaps at the ripe old age of 72, I am old enough to know how fiscally profligate the Labour Party have always been with no care whatsoever as to the amount of borrowing they take on in the knowledge that they can decry other parties who take over as Government of the day from whom falls the responsibility to try to repay some of this "manna from Socialist heaven"..
tl;dr: "I'm older than you and I know better".
Xenophon PCDGS
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I didn't and won't be doing. But perhaps one good reason would be a purely negative vote, to try to keep socialism and socialist policies away from power. Some of us do remember state industries utterly unresponsive to their customers, good money relentlessly thrown after bad, support for every strike going, and all the rest of it. Some of us thought that with Blair Britain might even have got a decent Centre Left party, but then Brown took over ....
Perhaps at the ripe old age of 72, I am old enough to know how fiscally profligate the Labour Party have always been with no care whatsoever as to the amount of borrowing they take on in the knowledge that they can decry other parties who take over as Government of the day from whom falls the responsibility to try to repay some of this "manna from Socialist heaven"..
So your best reason for voting Conservative is that you don't think Labour can do a good job based on their record in the 1970s. You seem to be ignoring the fact that despite the 2008 recession the 1997-2010 Labour government had a better record of keeping the country's spending under control compared to both Labour and Conservative governments before it.
To rephrase the question do you think a vote for Conservative David Rutley is better than a vote for Independent Mark Johnson or Lib Dem Richard Flowers?
Dear Paul.Perhaps at the ripe old age of 72, I am old enough to know how fiscally profligate the Labour Party have always been with no care whatsoever as to the amount of borrowing they take on in the knowledge that they can decry other parties who take over as Government of the day from whom falls the responsibility to try to repay some of this "manna from Socialist heaven"..
The Tories have been every bit as fiscally incompetent as previous Labour administrations. Facts and figures here
The Tories promised debt reduction but they haven't even come close. What they promised would take 5 years will take at least 20.
The Tories didn't meet their deficit target in 2010.
The Tories downright abandoned their deficit target in 2015.
Whilst the amount of debt as a proportion of GDP has reduced slightly, it's increased relentlessly in real terms over the last 7 years.
Shame that.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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A good example of an earlier matter that being 72 helps me to remember with clarity was the year 1976, with Britain under a Labour Government facing the need to approach the International Monetary Fund for an emergency loan of circa £4 billion to help matters. The negotiators for the International Monetary Fund insisted that as part of the stringencies attached to the approval of that loan was that deep cuts had to be made to public expenditure, which in turn then affected both economic and social policies of that Labour Government.
Puerile comments about my age mean naught to me, as I was already 31 years of age at that time, whereas many on this website with the loudest Socialist voices of dissent were not even born, let alone experienced of that said matter.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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I am sure that Labour borrowing plans will soon end that said reduction of debt as a proportion of GDP, should they be returned to power.
DarloRich
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On the other hand many of us were born and had first hand experience of the impact of lovely conservative polices through the Thatcher period. Many of us lived in the communities that were destroyed & have seen family members and friends struggle to secure long term employment since then
It is swings and roundabouts though surely - you wont vote Labour because of the IMF and I wont vote Tory because of Thatcher. She might have been good for you and yours. She wasn't good for mine.
Even Thatcher didn't drive people to food banks btw!
21st Century in a developed, rich western country and people use food banks. You cant, surely, find that palatable? These aren't, by and large, what you might class as down and outs but people at the bottom of the work tree trying to make ends meet. Even nurses are said to be using food banks to get by. I am sure you will put that down to budgeting failures on the part of individuals or something equally trite but I would lay that disgrace at the door of Tory HQ.
but yeah, proportion of debt v gdp is more important.
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Your post makes as much sense as saying the Conservative Party have taken Britain in to two World Wars, so only we should vote Labour to avoid Britain being involved in World War III.
As mentioned twice already in this post in recent years Labour have a much better record and the Conservatives have a poor record. That isn't an opinion, that is the reality.
and with the amount that Labour are offering with lots of "freebiees" in this campaign, I can't see Labour reducing the deficit more than conservatives over the next few years...
Don't forget the Conservatives have also offered 'freebies' (which is why they have failed in their attempts to cut the deficit despite all their cost cutting):
- Huge increase to inheritance tax threshold
- Help2Buy grant on new build properties
- Help2Buy ISA
- Limetime ISA
- Married couple's allowance
- Reduction in top rate of tax
- Raising the 20p and 40p income tax thresholds
As the Conservatives refuse to fully cost their manifesto it's impossible for them to claim that they can cut the deficit sooner.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Here we have a perfect example of only seeing from 1979 onwards, with the usual Thatcher soundbites.
As I said, at the age of 72, I go back to the days fifteen years prior to that and to the days of Harold Wilson leading the Labour Party and the subsequent growing prevalence of extreme left wing Trades Union intransigence that followed on from that period to 1979. I am sure there are the usual wide-eyed Socialist believers on this website who would only see "social good" in the events that so occurred in the times of the infamous "Winter of Discontent".
Xenophon PCDGS
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Does that "statement of reality" explain why Britain under a Labour Government in 1976 were forced to go "cap in hand" to the International Monetary Fund...:roll:
No. Global macroeconomics and a UK economy that hadn't yet adjusted to the end of Empire explains that. The same would more that likely have happened under a Conservative government.
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