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General Election 2017: The Results and Aftermath
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chris11256
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Labour won't get the chance unless the Conservatives fall through in their plan. Labour would only be asked if the Conservatives Queens Speech gets voted against.
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I could see a minority Labour government, but on a confidence and supply basis rather than a formal coalition. It would be more likely if they had a leader who was clear on their position being pro-Europe.
I see that Kensington (London) is too close to call. They do a recount, but have no people for it. If the article is correct the recount will be done this evening or tomorrow morning. That 1 seat (standing in the other section) is indeed North Down in Northern Ireland.
61653 HTAFC
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Fourthed!
May's position on Brexit negotiations is ridiculously confrontational. Corbyn's would be constructive, more co-operative. An aggressive stance is not helpful.
I say this as someone who was (like Corbyn, it's probably fair to assume) a reluctant remainer.
Reportedly they've already done recounts already and had to send the counters home due to getting inconsistent results due to the counters all being tired. I wonder if it's as close as the seat the SNP won despite only getting 2 seats more than the Lib Dem candidate?
Tetchytyke
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Lady Hermon, who used to be in the UUP but has been an independent since 2010.
The Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom, it is a separate country and has its own parliament, the Tynwald.
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It'll be interesting. The DUP almost lost their majority at Stormont, which is why the devolved NI Assembly has been closed down since the spring. Arlene Foster is mired in her own controversy about "green subsidies" that puts lots and lots of cash in her friends' pockets but did nothing else. And that's before we consider the fact the DUP are opposed to, amongst other things, gay marriage and abortion and had their terrorist arm out this week saying people must vote for the DUP or face the consequences.
The DUP are not quite the strong and stable party I'd be wanting as kingmakers.
EM2
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Something I said almost a year ago, when everyone was saying that Corbyn is unelectable:
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2644069&postcount=1178
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2644069&postcount=1178
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Agreed. There's no need to make the Article 50 process any more difficult or painful than it needs to be just out of spite. That may not have been May's position but it's certainly the way she came across.
bangor-toad
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And as a result of the Stormont elections it encouraged a much greater turnout here. NI is polarised between SF & DUP and both have done well at the expense of any middle ground.
(Lady Hermon, my MP, is a special case but is Unionist through and through)
DUP are going to be kingmakers with polices many in the rest of the UK will regard as fundamentalist.
I'd imagine there will be at least 1 cabinet post for the DUP. I wonder which...
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The smirk has well and truly been wiped off May's face. Remember she did not have to call this election. It was purely opportunist on her part. She had a working majority before and the gamble has back fired big time! She believed her lead was so unassailable she could get away without attending debates and surround herself with the Tory faithful and avoid as many awkward questions as possible. She believed she could introduce some extremely unpopular policies as it was a sure landslide victory for her. Ow how she was wrong! 
Hung parliament is perfect for centrist people like me.
Hung parliament is perfect for centrist people like me.
EM2
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To paraphrase a very popular football chant, 'Twenty points, and you ****** it up!'.
This ghastly woman has just got everything she deserves. I am hoping that by trying to hang on now she will be exposed to public ridicule and I shall enjoy every minute of her humiliation. Unfortunately she has already done a huge amount of damage to the country during the short time that she has been in power and it is going to be hard work for someone to restore the UK's diplomatic credibility.
I cna't really see May's position being tenable, at least not in the emdium to long term. It's allv ery well for the Tory hierachy to rally around her in the enxt few days, but she has messed up big style.
If the DUP are happy for her to continue as PM, which isn't a given, then the knives will be out for her, even if they are just being sharpened and cleaned at the moment.
If the DUP are happy for her to continue as PM, which isn't a given, then the knives will be out for her, even if they are just being sharpened and cleaned at the moment.
backontrack
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Just got up.
Shame Amber Rudd squeaked through.
Shame Amber Rudd squeaked through.
The smirk has well and truly been wiped off May's face. Remember she did not have to call this election. It was purely opportunist on her part. She had a working majority before and the gamble has back fired big time! She believed her lead was so unassailable she could get away without attending debates and surround herself with the Tory faithful and avoid as many awkward questions as possible. She believed she could introduce some extremely unpopular policies as it was a sure landslide victory for her. Ow how she was wrong!
Hung parliament is perfect for centrist people like me.
Agreed that it is good for those of us who are centrists rather than clear left or clear right -- though I wish the potential majority hung not on the DUP but on the LibDems who could temper some of the worst of present-style Toryism. No chance of that, however, after their experience last time.
Corbyn has had a personal triumph and is briefly entitled to his boast that Labour is the winner even if it clearly isn't, either on seats or on state of vote. The Labour campaign was just as much a one-person show as the Tory one, and Corbyn cam across infinitely the better of the two.
backontrack
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Green hold with an almost doubled majority
Wow. I've made 134 posts on this thread - GusB is next with 60.
A good night for Sinn Féin. Still no seats for the SDLP, the UUP or Alliance.
Independent Lady Sylvia Hermon is third in Northern Ireland. Third.
Green hold with an almost doubled majority
Wow. I've made 134 posts on this thread - GusB is next with 60.
A good night for Sinn Féin. Still no seats for the SDLP, the UUP or Alliance.
Independent Lady Sylvia Hermon is third in Northern Ireland. Third.
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She's paid the price for arrogance and vanity, for trying to run a one-person campaign and doing it so badly, and for drawing up with apparently just a very small number of advisers a truly awful manifesto which just asked for large numbers of her core voters to turn against her.
chris89
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Better result then i thought would happen at least. Although would have prefered Labour of course.
No surprise that Phillip Dunne yet again got in for me and in the Ludlow area
Surprised that the Conservative person did in Telford though, Especially with the long running concerns about Telford Hospital and it potentially losing it's 24hr A&E etc.
Also surprised at the gains for the Conservatives in Scotland as well though really.
Great bit of news, it seems the younger vote has increased as well.
No surprise that Phillip Dunne yet again got in for me and in the Ludlow area
Surprised that the Conservative person did in Telford though, Especially with the long running concerns about Telford Hospital and it potentially losing it's 24hr A&E etc.Also surprised at the gains for the Conservatives in Scotland as well though really.
Great bit of news, it seems the younger vote has increased as well.
backontrack
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Cracking election for me. 
AlterEgo
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Arlene Foster said she thought it'd be "difficult" for May to continue as PM.
EM2
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Oh, and the apparently useless and terrible Diane Abbott has increased her majority to over 35,000 which is just shy of Theresa May's entire vote.
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cjp
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The smirk has well and truly been wiped off May's face. Remember she did not have to call this election. It was purely opportunist on her part. She had a working majority before and the gamble has back fired big time! She believed her lead was so unassailable she could get away without attending debates and surround herself with the Tory faithful and avoid as many awkward questions as possible. She believed she could introduce some extremely unpopular policies as it was a sure landslide victory for her. Ow how she was wrong!
Hung parliament is perfect for centrist people like me.
The Tories are consistent
Cameron called for a vote he was sure he would win - lost.
May called for a vote she was sure she would win - lost.
Call for new (and cheaper) Conservative advisers?
Call for May to go?
Call for a vote (of no confidence in May).
Call for the "old" labour politicians to admit they were wrong in trash talking Corbyn and to listen to their members and the country.
Trouble is what now... less influence by monied businesses?
The manifesto was poor, I don't think there can be much of an argument about that.
It seems likely that we'll have to go through all this again at some point in the coming months. How much of a swing will there be to Labour and the COnservaties from the other parties, or will ther ebe mor eof a swing back tot he centre? I wouldn't like to say either way. The only thing I;m confident of is the the electorate will continue to surprise me!
backontrack
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CABINET MINISTERS:
Simon Kirby lost Brighton Kemptown to Labour.
Ben Gummer lost Ipswich to Labour.
Gavin Barwell lost Croydon Central to Labour.
Jane Ellison lost Battersea to Labour.
James Wharton lost Stockton South to Labour.
Rob Wilson lost Reading East to Labour.
Edward Timpson lost Crewe & Nantwich to Labour.
David Mowat lost Warrington South to Labour.
Nicola Blackwood lost Oxford West & Abington to the Liberal Democrats.
Simon Kirby lost Brighton Kemptown to Labour.
Ben Gummer lost Ipswich to Labour.
Gavin Barwell lost Croydon Central to Labour.
Jane Ellison lost Battersea to Labour.
James Wharton lost Stockton South to Labour.
Rob Wilson lost Reading East to Labour.
Edward Timpson lost Crewe & Nantwich to Labour.
David Mowat lost Warrington South to Labour.
Nicola Blackwood lost Oxford West & Abington to the Liberal Democrats.
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backontrack
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MAJOR NAMES:
Alex Salmond lost Gordon to the Conservatives.
Angus Robertson lost Moray to the Conservatives.
Julian Brazier lost Canterbury to Labour.
Nick Clegg lost Sheffield Hallam to Labour.
Justine Greening had a massive majority almost completely wiped out in Putney, while Amber Rudd held Hastings and Rye with a much-reduced majority after the fifth recount.
Alex Salmond lost Gordon to the Conservatives.
Angus Robertson lost Moray to the Conservatives.
Julian Brazier lost Canterbury to Labour.
Nick Clegg lost Sheffield Hallam to Labour.
Justine Greening had a massive majority almost completely wiped out in Putney, while Amber Rudd held Hastings and Rye with a much-reduced majority after the fifth recount.
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