backontrack
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(I full well expect a copycat thread about Corbyn from the usual suspects... :roll
What should she do?
What should she do?
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Theresa May - should she resign?
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If she had any self-knowledge, she'd have done it by now, so she'll no doubt have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Her performance yesterday near Grenfell effectively signed her death warrant as P.M. Michael Portillo on the late night political TV programme yesterday was utterly scathing about her prospects, and was disgusted by her refusal to engage with the residents.
61653 HTAFC
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Could be a bit like the US... One thing in favour of Trump is that he isn't Mike Pence. Likewise, at least "Thatcher in the rye" is the devil we know...
61653 HTAFC
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The whole conversation about the Brexit negotiations is being framed as a battle. I don't believe this helps either side to be honest...
How would it do that? She clearly has no idea what she's doing with the talks, so we'd really be better off waiting until somebody with a vague sense of direction is in charge
All things considered, it's probably best that she stays and attempts to govern with the assistance of the DUP with the caveat that they heavily modifying equality legislation to appease the DUP might not be popular (though you could make the argument that, with the Queen as head of the C of E, there's nothing un-British in the concept of forming legislation based on Anglican theology).
I don't want our countries legislation to have anything to do with theology to be honest.
I concur, but it's probably constitutionally more justifiable in the UK (a country with a state religion) than the US whose Constitution is theoretically secular.
Leaving aside that this goes against hundreds of years of separation of church and state, it gets things backwards - it's like saying that because Queen Victoria was the Empress of India there is no reason to not regard Victorian England as part of India. The DUP are hardly Anglicans anyway.
It's strange that you start your post with the phrase "all things considered" when you appear to have considered almost no things
bavvo
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Normally I know exactly what I think when asked questions like this but I'm a bit stumped on this one. It reminds me of doing multiple choice exams where you didn't revise this bit...
I mean I know it's not B, D seems wrong, but A and C both don't make sense either!
Probably just resign really. She's shown herself to be utterly inept with the public, terrible in interviews, unable to remember anything except slogans and incapable of leadership of her own party let alone leading the nation into the riskiest negotiation for generations. She really has to go. But do we really want another election? Aren't people getting sick of it all? It would really make a mockery of the fixed term parliament legislation, although thats mostly in tatters already.
I mean I know it's not B, D seems wrong, but A and C both don't make sense either!
Probably just resign really. She's shown herself to be utterly inept with the public, terrible in interviews, unable to remember anything except slogans and incapable of leadership of her own party let alone leading the nation into the riskiest negotiation for generations. She really has to go. But do we really want another election? Aren't people getting sick of it all? It would really make a mockery of the fixed term parliament legislation, although thats mostly in tatters already.
trainmania100
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I wpuld have chosen the option - resign and give all power to corbyn
AlterEgo
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I concur, but it's probably constitutionally more justifiable in the UK (a country with a state religion) than the US whose Constitution is theoretically secular.
Hate to break it to you but the DUP aren't Anglicans. Historically the Ulster Unionist Party was formed from Church of Ireland (Anglican communion) stock - the DUP are Paisleyistes; hardcore, fundamentalist Presbyterians, evangelicals and Methodists.
Can you confirm you'd prefer the whole of the UK, including Northern Ireland, to be politically drawn along Anglican lines? If so, let's be glad you're not the NI Secretary - though you couldn't get much poorer than Brokenshire.
John Luxton
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Although half of me thinks she should resign and I have voted accordingly, the other half of me thinks that if you mess things up as she undoubtedly has they should put things right.
Cutting and running appears the easy option.
If she does sort things out she will gain a lot of respect.
One lesson from this election - too many politicians trust advisors as TM did. Going with gut feelings and your own emotions makes you stand out and I think that is what made Trump so refreshingly different to US voters.
Cutting and running appears the easy option.
If she does sort things out she will gain a lot of respect.
One lesson from this election - too many politicians trust advisors as TM did. Going with gut feelings and your own emotions makes you stand out and I think that is what made Trump so refreshingly different to US voters.
She messed up because she's incapable of doing the job, and now she's made the mess cleaning up is going to be a lot harder than not making the mess in the first place. It's really time to get her away from all the machines and tools before she messes things up even more.
61653 HTAFC
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BBC suggesting that the Grenfell Tower tragedy could be May's "Katrina Moment"...
Even in her interview from earlier today, she seems incapable of understanding the magnitude of the incident, incapable of speaking in anything other than her usual robotic style. She seems cold, calculating and distant. If I hear her refer to anything as "...this incident which has taken place..." again I may need to vomit.
Even in her interview from earlier today, she seems incapable of understanding the magnitude of the incident, incapable of speaking in anything other than her usual robotic style. She seems cold, calculating and distant. If I hear her refer to anything as "...this incident which has taken place..." again I may need to vomit.
I put "Resign and let the party sort it out". I actually am a Labour supporter but the majority still voted for Tories so they should stay. Many claim that Corbyn isn't 'a leader' but I think May is even less of a leader. She comes across as next to useless and part of me thinks that if she stayed, she'd keep making things worse. That said the country does need a good Brexit deal, but her replacement probably wouldn't be any worse at negotiations.
Regardless of any positives they may bring, I can never support the DUP.
Regardless of any positives they may bring, I can never support the DUP.
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Andyjs247
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She should go; and go soon. Whatever your views on Brexit, I cannot imagine her negotiating a successful deal with 27 other political leaders when she can't or won't engage or debate with 6. She hasn't even been able to negotiate a deal with her friends the DUP yet. Three key skills for successful negotiations are listening and engaging with others. And of course turning up in the first place. She doesn't seem to be particularly good at any of these!
bramling
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(I full well expect a copycat thread about Corbyn from the usual suspects... :roll
What should she do?
Continue for now, and resign when things have calmed down.
I'd be happy to see the back of Mrs May, but I voted for her to resign and let the party sort it out. They won the biggest number of seats, so give them a chance to sort it out.
I'm not sure if it's the right option, but I'm not entirely sure that calling for a fresh election so soon is a good idea.
Honestly? I don't really know. What a mess.
I'm not sure if it's the right option, but I'm not entirely sure that calling for a fresh election so soon is a good idea.
Honestly? I don't really know. What a mess.
And the thought of that alternative is exactly why I think she should stay and even do her deal with the dreadful DUP, much as I dislike and distrust both the woman herself, her brand of Toryism, and her absurd "Brexit means Brexit" approach to the EU question.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Why does the poll have the first three options of similar ilk (either resigning or the calling of a General Election) and just the one option of the opposite view. Could that solitary option had similar alternatives also made available?
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Because, given her awful performances and campaign, there is not much else she can do
She can only stay if she works with the DUP, no other party wants to go into government with her, and she has lost her majority
Furthermore her own support within the party, is getting even lower, after her handling of Grenfell, where she has been revealed as not having an ounce of empathy, and refusing to meet the survivors , citing " security reasons " Still allowed the Queen and Corbyn to do so...
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Are you saying that the Prime Minister has not met any of those who survived the tragedy and that any statements to the opposite are untrue?
Those left-wing activists who infiltrated the residents would have seen the Prime Minister doing what you wished would have seized upon such an opportunity with relish. That is why we have security agencies to advise on such matters. Neither HM The Queen nor Corbyn would have been the targets of the groupings to which I allude.
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I agree that there are some rotten elements who have slid into the Grenfell Tower disaster. It is not completely left-wing activists when the right-wing members of society have to also step up and confront the likes of Britain First... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...islamophobia-east-london-mosque-a7790991.html
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Paul once again your staunch defence of May is quite bewildering. May first visited the site in a "private visit" and only met the fire crews involved. She was directly asked to go and meet the victims and refused. She only went to see the victims after she was told it would be a good idea to. Security is a nonsense answer and is merely an excuse as there were plenty of police and her personal security force there. She is a robot who doesn't seem to have a bit of humanity in her. She only does interviews in controlled environments so she can answer every question in the same robotic manner. She has to go. Let the Tories sort it out once she has gone.
Resign, but let the party sort it out first. I know that means we'll end up with an "unelected" PM leading a minority government, and that may be unpalatable. However:
1) I don't want another election just now. The last one was horrible enough. I've only just lost the "tunnel of blue" I had to drive down on my way to work, and I'm loving seeing the scenery of Denbighshire again. I don't think many people want to go back to the polls in the next few months.
2) It only seems fair to have the Conservative party sort itself out before the election. At the very least, let them elect a leader before they have an election. It would be a rather hollow victory for Corbyn if he beat a leaderless Conservative party, and disastrous if he lost to nobody.
3) The negotiations with the EU would be disastrous. I mean, even more so than they already will be.
4) I worry that, even with Theresa's spectacular nosedive, that the result wouldn't really be any different. In that case - what are we achieving?
I can't imagine many people of any persuasion supporting Theresa May in the long term. The last week has been really quite spectacularly bad for her.
1) I don't want another election just now. The last one was horrible enough. I've only just lost the "tunnel of blue" I had to drive down on my way to work, and I'm loving seeing the scenery of Denbighshire again. I don't think many people want to go back to the polls in the next few months.
2) It only seems fair to have the Conservative party sort itself out before the election. At the very least, let them elect a leader before they have an election. It would be a rather hollow victory for Corbyn if he beat a leaderless Conservative party, and disastrous if he lost to nobody.
3) The negotiations with the EU would be disastrous. I mean, even more so than they already will be.
4) I worry that, even with Theresa's spectacular nosedive, that the result wouldn't really be any different. In that case - what are we achieving?
I can't imagine many people of any persuasion supporting Theresa May in the long term. The last week has been really quite spectacularly bad for her.
SS4
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Yes, she should unquestionably resign. She has proven incompetent with Brexit and she has an authoritarian streak that is incompatible with the freedoms of a Western democracy. Controlling the internet and actively monitoring all communications, no matter how unworkable they are IRL, is Kim Jong Un's wet dream.
The way she avoided talking to the residents (I bet she would have if they voted blue!) is, to me, indicative of the Tory attitude to the poor. That she praised the emergency services in the recent incidents whilst presiding over massive cuts to them both as Home Secretary and PM is simply sickening. That Labour run councils got much more severe cuts than Tory ones is another way she's looking after her party rather than the people.
That said, I can't face another election for the reasons outlined by me123
The way she avoided talking to the residents (I bet she would have if they voted blue!) is, to me, indicative of the Tory attitude to the poor. That she praised the emergency services in the recent incidents whilst presiding over massive cuts to them both as Home Secretary and PM is simply sickening. That Labour run councils got much more severe cuts than Tory ones is another way she's looking after her party rather than the people.
That said, I can't face another election for the reasons outlined by me123
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I'm in two minds yes I think Teresa May should go but the person the Tories need to defeat Corbyn they wont choose and also the problem being she is not even a UK member of Parliament ie Ruth Davidson.
Maybe the Tories should let Corbyn form a Government and then people can really see what a left wing government is like and of course it would require an alliance of every party left and centre left, of course I expect Corbyn would call another election fairly quickly after he's handed out free iphone's to everyone and various other bribes.
Meanwhile McDonnell is calling for Mass Protests to try and force the Government out and the lefty unions are talking about co-ordinated industrial action but apparently that's the kind of government 40% of voters want.
Also has anybody got a large Toilet because that's where the UK is heading.
Maybe the Tories should let Corbyn form a Government and then people can really see what a left wing government is like and of course it would require an alliance of every party left and centre left, of course I expect Corbyn would call another election fairly quickly after he's handed out free iphone's to everyone and various other bribes.
Meanwhile McDonnell is calling for Mass Protests to try and force the Government out and the lefty unions are talking about co-ordinated industrial action but apparently that's the kind of government 40% of voters want.
Also has anybody got a large Toilet because that's where the UK is heading.
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