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SLW Hammersmith-Wood Lane?

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How is Hammersmith-Wood Lane being worked during the current disruption? Just one train shuttling back and forth on one of the lines? Or do they have two trains stranded down there and they're shuttling one on each line?

(SLW = Single-Line Working)
 
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Two trains have been operating the service since yesterday, with one train on each track.

A seven train service is running Edgware Rd- Barking and the Circle is operating it's traditional circular service, every 15mins

Several trains remain in Hammersmith sidings.
 
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How come several of the live news bulletins have shown Underground trains running past the site? Or is that a different line?
 

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How come several of the live news bulletins have shown Underground trains running past the site? Or is that a different line?
That was a couple of days ago. The service was suspended for the day after the fire (traffic day of June 14th). The full service then resumed from start of traffic on June 15th, then the service was suspended again just after 11am on Saturday the 17th.
 

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Two trains have been operating the service since yesterday, with one train on each track.

A seven train service is running Edgware Rd- Barking and the Circle is operating it's traditional circular service, every 15mins

Several trains remain in Hammersmith sidings.

The H&C section is also running a 15min service.

I got one running bang road today Hammersmith - Shepherds Bush Market. It was running without destination, line name, nor train number on the displays. Audio announcements are all manual, and (presumably because it's bang road) the driving carrage doors were locked out by the ASDO. We also seemed to be limited to 15MPH.
 

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The H&C section is also running a 15min service.

I got one running bang road today Hammersmith - Shepherds Bush Market. It was running without destination, line name, nor train number on the displays. Audio announcements are all manual, and (presumably because it's bang road) the driving carrage doors were locked out by the ASDO. We also seemed to be limited to 15MPH.
ASDO isn't a term I've heard used on the Underground before so I'm not sure what it means, but the CSDE equipment[1] doesn't work when working on the wrong road; when the override is used the front and last car doors don't open.

[1] although S Stock does not have conventional CSDE equipment, it has something that applies the same principles
 

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Potential issues if the loss of Hammersmith depot continues. Maybe they can get a derogation for ECS trains to run past Latimer Road to balance good trains with ones needing checks (or maybe transfer work pro tem to Neasden or Upminster)

Good effort though to run some service ..my old boss being in total charge would look at these opportunities in times of trouble.
 

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ASDO isn't a term I've heard used on the Underground before so I'm not sure what it means, but the CSDE equipment[1] doesn't work when working on the wrong road; when the override is used the front and last car doors don't open.

[1] although S Stock does not have conventional CSDE equipment, it has something that applies the same principles

Assuming that it has been used in the same context as the mainline - Automatic selective door opening. I'd argue that it is a more appropriate term than CSDE for the S stock system (whose actual name I don't know) as it does more than just preventing a wrong side door release and ensuring a rough stopping accuracy, and the term CSDE is already well known for the original system.
 

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The H&C section is also running a 15min service.

I got one running bang road today Hammersmith - Shepherds Bush Market. It was running without destination, line name, nor train number on the displays. Audio announcements are all manual, and (presumably because it's bang road) the driving carrage doors were locked out by the ASDO. We also seemed to be limited to 15MPH.

ASDO isn't a term I've heard used on the Underground before so I'm not sure what it means, but the CSDE equipment[1] doesn't work when working on the wrong road; when the override is used the front and last car doors don't open.

[1] although S Stock does not have conventional CSDE equipment, it has something that applies the same principles
On Stock its SDO Selective Door Open, as there would be no trackside beacons the emergency default is front and rear-3 closed.

In Restrictive Manual, with leading trip cut-out (hence orange flashing light on front) train is limited to 9mph.
 

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Several trains remain in Hammersmith sidings.

I estimated roughly 12 trains based on what stabled Friday, made it out Saturday and then came back in Saturday. With the reduction in services required on the rest of the C+H (six trains on the Inner rail, six on the Outer rail and seven for the H&C) this shouldn't have any repurcussions across the rest of the network.

I got one running bang road today Hammersmith - Shepherds Bush Market. It was running without destination, line name, nor train number on the displays. Audio announcements are all manual, and (presumably because it's bang road) the driving carrage doors were locked out by the ASDO. We also seemed to be limited to 15MPH.

No CIS codes for Wood Lane, and it's not possible to put up any type of 'free text'. As a result, the displays have to run blank. They should have been running with train numbers (001/002 yesterday and 531/532 today) but it's possible a CIS fault caused these not to display. The S stock TCMSs are notoriously unreliable.

Train operators have been very good at providing manual announcements at each station. Some are setting up the 'usual' CIS code for the westbound journey, which will work on either line as normal (using the CSDE tags to pick up location data).

As mentioned by others, no CSDE means that the doors have to be emergency opened - by default this cuts out all doors in the front and rear cars to cater for stations where there are short platforms. There are also no OPO monitors when running bang road, so all trains are having to have assisted dispatch*.

Potential issues if the loss of Hammersmith depot continues. Maybe they can get a derogation for ECS trains to run past Latimer Road to balance good trains with ones needing checks (or maybe transfer work pro tem to Neasden or Upminster)

Good effort though to run some service ..my old boss being in total charge would look at these opportunities in times of trouble.

No issues for the rest of the C+H (and District) as the 'depot' is no longer such - it's been a sidings for some years now, with nothing more than train prep work carried out (in a similar way to Barking, Triangle etc.). As mentioned above, there (should) be enough trains at Ealing Common and Upminster (and Neasden) to cover for the loss of ~12 trains. However, there could be issues if any of the trains at Hammersmith fall due for an exam. There are emergency facilities available on one road, but I don't think they've yet been used in anger...

n Restrictive Manual, with leading trip cut-out (hence orange flashing light on front) train is limited to 9mph.

Not sure if we have any ATO-modded trains in the sidings (there's been none out of the four trains used so far) but it's worth mentioning for the benefit of all (obvs not Dstock7080!) that if a modified train is operating then the orange flashing light denotes that the train is in Restricted Manual (RM), rather than with trip cut out.

Trains are being swapped over in the sidings each night with two sets of points unsecured. Which reminds me, I best start to get ready for that...
 

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In Restrictive Manual, with leading trip cut-out (hence orange flashing light on front) train is limited to 9mph.

Any idea why, as photos and other forum chatter seems to suggest, the trains are running with the leading (in direction of travel) tripcock cut out when running in the wrong direction, thus limiting the trains to 9mph instead of the 15mph (10mph over points) they could otherwise be doing? This might be appropriate between Goldhawk Road & Hammersmith if semi-automatic signals are having to be passed at danger, but for the rest of the route I can see no justification for it.
 

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Any idea why, as photos and other forum chatter seems to suggest, the trains are running with the leading (in direction of travel) tripcock cut out when running in the wrong direction, thus limiting the trains to 9mph instead of the 15mph (10mph over points) they could otherwise be doing? This might be appropriate between Goldhawk Road & Hammersmith if semi-automatic signals are having to be passed at danger, but for the rest of the route I can see no justification for it.
Rule Book 5 section 4.7 Single line working (train locked in) is very specific in requirement that the leading tripcock is isolated when operating in any direction.

My understanding is this removes the ambiguity of "is it cut-in this direction or not?" scenario.
 

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Rule Book 5 section 4.7 Single line working (train locked in) is very specific in requirement that the leading tripcock is isolated when operating in any direction.

My understanding is this removes the ambiguity of "is it cut-in this direction or not?" scenario.
Rule book 5 section 4.7 doesn't mention anything about tripcocks. Section 4.6 says that the tripcocks and associated equipment must be cut out if necessary.
 

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Rule Book 5 section 4.7 Single line working (train locked in) is very specific in requirement that the leading tripcock is isolated when operating in any direction.

My understanding is this removes the ambiguity of "is it cut-in this direction or not?" scenario.

The actual wording is "...cut out any tripcocks and associated equipment (if necessary)." So my thinking is what actually makes it necessary, other than perhaps between Goldhawk Road and Hammersmith?

Are they running with tripcocks cut out in the right direction as well? If so then I'm astounded.
 

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In the wrong direction trains are running with tripcocks cut out. Both trains have to pass semi-autos at danger at Hammersmith, and would be consistently rear tripped on the journey.

In the right direction all trains are running with tripcocks cut in at line speed.
 

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trains started running today from normal start-of-traffic times but empty from Hammersmith-Edgware Road; this restriction was lifted slightly at 0830 to be Hammersmith-Ladbroke Grove, then from 0900 passenger services were restored to the branch.
 

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trains started running today from normal start-of-traffic times but empty from Hammersmith-Edgware Road; this restriction was lifted slightly at 0830 to be Hammersmith-Ladbroke Grove, then from 0900 passenger services were restored to the branch.

Very good news - the limited Circle line service to Paddington Praed Street was a bit of a challenge , but also good for the many passengers on the Hammersmith branch , who have had to deal with the many issues arising from the Grenfell fire.......

Now there is a line that has come up from the miserable crime ridden days of the late 1980's .....
 
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