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Does anyone know when will this unit be returned to service? When will its next railtour be?

Also, is there any chance that the surviving A62 will be used on a railtour?
 
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The 1938 Tube Stock should be used during weekend 9-10 September, with steam locos and rolling stock from the Bluebell Railway, between Watford & Amersham.

Unfortunately, the remaining A Stock (the RAT, the RAT spare, the RAT strategic spare) are all likely to be scrapped very soon.
Car 5034 will remain in LT Museum Acton.
 
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Dstock7080 said:
The 1938 Tube Stock should be used during weekend 9-10 September, with steam locos and rolling stock from the Bluebell Railway, between Watford & Amersham.

Unfortunately, the remaining A Stock (the RAT, the RAT spare, the RAT strategic spare) are all likely to be scrapped very soon.
Car 5034 will remain in LT Museum Acton.
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Thanks. When will tickets go on sale for the 1938 run?

Sad to hear about the A Stock, was really hoping that it would be preserved or at least run again.
 
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I'm sure if there was enough money to maintain and preserve trains, and enough space there probably would be at least one full trainset of each stock surviving in working order
 
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Dstock7080 said:
The 1938 Tube Stock should be used during weekend 9-10 September, with steam locos and rolling stock from the Bluebell Railway, between Watford & Amersham.

Unfortunately, the remaining A Stock (the RAT, the RAT spare, the RAT strategic spare) are all likely to be scrapped very soon.
Car 5034 will remain in LT Museum Acton.
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I'm sure us enthusiasts can put pressure to preserve that 4 car A stock for novelty value:D
 
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I'm sure us enthusiasts can put pressure to preserve that 4 car A stock for novelty value:D
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Then why would the same enthusiasts not put pressure on to also preserve one of the remaining D78 Double Ender units? The D78 RAT conversion is a lot less sympathetic to heritage than that of the A60 Sandite units (RAC excepted). Since the D78 one is scrapping one of the trailers and fully converting the other from a 6 car formation, there is no trailer truly preserved within the consist...

Also, they don't have long... Neasden doesn't have infinite space and Acton Works is shortly about to loose most of it's.
 
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Dstock7080 said:
New workshop to be built over existing sidings, initially for '92 Stock upgrade project.
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What he said...

All of the fan roads up to 27rd and the existing cable storage shed will have a new "8 Car" long continuous shed built, with 4 roads accessible from the fan.

No idea where the 4 car 67TS shunter, 72TS under test and/or RATs will go...
 
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I think it's inevitable that few electric "commuter/metro" sets get preserved, as they take up so much space and don't have the "wow" factor for the general public that a steam locomotive has.
 
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class387 said:
I see that 'September Vintage Summer Steam' on September 9th and 10th is now being advertised on the LTM website:

https://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/whats-on/events-calendar/heritage-vehicles-outings

Bookings and timings are announced on the 25th July.

The 1938 stock will run between Harrow on the Hill and Amersham along with Met 1, the LT Class 20s, the 4TC and another steam loco (no A-stock unfortunately).
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I thought the 1938 tube stock was going to operate Chesham shuttles which would have meant anyone could ride it:(
 
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I thought the 1938 tube stock was going to operate Chesham shuttles which would have meant anyone could ride it:(
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Never heard of this plan...

They wouldn't want the newly overhauled 1938 stock full and standing and not even make money from it. Also, isn't it usually Aldgate to Chesham anyway?

I don't think the tickets will be more than £10-15 anyway.
 
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I thought the D Stock was ready now? Or is the A Stock RAT going to have one last hurrah this season?
 
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Why would the A Stock be available right before sandite season?
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Use the D Stock?

They managed to do it with the sandite unit a couple of years back, so it is possible. How much money it would make (and cost) is a different story...

I would really like to see the A stock (and other similar, surviving types) preserved though. Steam on the Met is an annual event so it would be used well and it is a train that revolutionised the Met, much more important than the Class 20 + 4TC that is used. Currently LTM only has steam and stock from the 1930s operational. These can't last forever, so in 20-30 years there might be no heritage journeys on the Underground. Bus preservationists are now preserving relatively modern Tridents and Darts to keep the scene going and LTM should preserve some newer classics to ensure that we can run trips like these for many years to come. Otherwise, when the 1938 stock and others finally give up, LTM would regret scrapping these and leaving a huge hole in London's transport history. No, it won't be cheap, but it is cheaper than trying to salvage a rake of scrap cars to form a train in 30 years time.
 
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Will the eventual roll out of TBTC mean an end to any conventional stock running on the system ?
 
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Dstock7080 said:
Transmission Based Train Control - Moving block signalling system now employed on the Jubilee and Northern lines
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And to spread to the sub-surface lines within the next few years. Unless there's a solution devised for the RATs that is also applicable to any preserved units, I can't see the occasional preserved run justifying the costs of designing a complicated safety-critical interface to heritage stock.

It's possible they could still run Harrow-Amersham using the whatever train protection is being provided for the Chiltern services.
 
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I've spoken to some LTM people briefly on this topic while on the D Stock tour, and they seemed confident that they'd be able to find a solution to the issue. Maybe they were just over-optimistic though.
 
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As things stand no funding is in place for the heritage fleet to be fitted with the new signalling. Although it was in place in the first (and second) contract, it has since been descoped from the 'final' Thales CBTC contract.

However, heritage trips should remain a possibility between Harrow-Amersham/Uxbridge. These sections are to retain conventional colour-light signals and tripcocks for Chiltern/Piccadilly line services with the ATC underlayed (I think... I always get confused between this and the solution on the Richmond/Wimbledon branches, which I believe is ATC overlayed to the existing signals), and so should not preclude the use of heritage rolling stock.
 
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However, heritage trips should remain a possibility between Harrow-Amersham/Uxbridge. These sections are to retain conventional colour-light signals and tripcocks for Chiltern/Piccadilly line services with the ATC underlayed (I think... I always get confused between this and the solution on the Richmond/Wimbledon branches, which I believe is ATC overlayed to the existing signals), and so should not preclude the use of heritage rolling stock.
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Unless there are plans to retain legacy signalling from Rayners Lane to Harrow to Harrow North Junction then there is little scope for heritage ops between Harrow and Amersham (aside from anything originating from Network Rail), unless they would consider an overnight move on an ITMP and outstabling to get the train in position.
 
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Unless there are plans to retain legacy signalling from Rayners Lane to Harrow to Harrow North Junction then there is little scope for heritage ops between Harrow and Amersham (aside from anything originating from Network Rail), unless they would consider an overnight move on an ITMP and outstabling to get the train in position.
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I'd think it depends on the scope of fitment of CBTC to the battery loco fleet.
 
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The plans continue to change the project continues to run behind.

Which is fine, the longer I can pull levers the better! ??????
 
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