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LNERCA Set put out of action on the NYMR

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Unfortunately overnight 22/7-23/7/17 the LNERCA's operational teak set based on the North Yorkshire Moors, has been put out of service by a serious case of vandalisam, during the sixties weekend. In turn this has lead to services cancellations [the 11:00 Pickering-Grosmont and the return at 16:00+/- Grosmont-Pickeering]. Pretty well all carriages have been damaged to varing degrees. The following is the link to the NYMR website with their press release....

https://www.nymr.co.uk/news/heartbreak-after-vandals-attack-heritage-railway-carriages-news

In the early hours of Sunday 23rd July 2017, North Yorkshire Moors Railway’s (NYMR’s) historic teak carriages were deliberately vandalised. The carriages were parked in the siding, at the far side of the main visitor car park at Pickering.



The beautiful varnished teak carriage set, comprised of eight carriages, dating from 1930 to 1950. These carriages have regularly appeared in films and television, recent appearances including ‘Downton Abbey’ and the remake of ‘Dad’s Army’


Chris Price, NYMR’s General Manager said, “We were absolutely devastated to discover that the carriages had been damaged overnight. The set was found with the windows smashed and the furniture and fixings completely ruined, obviously all the staff and volunteers are extremely upset.


Until the set has been completely assessed we will not know the full extent of the damage caused...
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How bad was the damage and how many carriages were affected? I hope they catch the people who did this.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-40697952
Eight teak carriages on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway in Pickering had windows smashed overnight, with furniture and fixings also ruined.
The carriages, dating from 1930 to 1950, have regularly been featured in films and television, the railway said.
North Yorkshire Police is investigating the attack.
Fire extinguishers were also set off throughout the carriages, soaking the furniture and wall fittings.
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Will the cost of repair be fully covered by the railway's insurance? Or will it be a case of raising money to fund the repairs. Obviously there's a time element as well due to the voluntary nature of the business.
 
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STEVIEBOY1 said:
I can not open that webpage link. How bad was the damage and how many carriages were affected? I hope they catch the people who did this.
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Curious, it's the same link I copied from the unoffical NYMR Forum and used on the LNER Encycloprdia forum where it worked fine. I've even tried editing and replacing it, to no avail. Anyhow if you go the NYMR website you can access it there. Thankfully others have added links that take you to the press release.
 
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I've donated £10 which I appreciate is only a small amount, but I hope it helps in some way or another.

Quite why vandals go out and do this sort of things is beyond me it really is :roll:

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Really sad. I am aware of other attacks at other railways recently and I hope they become far less frequent in future
 
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DarloRich said:
Anyway - cue the usual wibble about punishment and prisons etc.
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Just for a change how about we lead the discussion in the direction of prevention. As time inevitably passes the historic value of such vehicles rises and yet most heritage lines just park them in open sidings while at the same time keeping their "precious" locomotives in (secure) loco-sheds. Surely the bigger preserved operations need to follow the lead of the Severn Valley and build carriage sheds to protect such historic treasures. It's all very well dedicating huge sums and effort into restoration and preservation (even re-creation) of locomotives but without more attention to their rolling stock heritage lines will all start to look the same with nothing but BR Mk1s for passengers to travel in.
 
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Just for a change how about we lead the discussion in the direction of prevention. As time inevitably passes the historic value of such vehicles rises and yet most heritage lines just park them in open sidings while at the same time keeping their "precious" locomotives in (secure) loco-sheds. Surely the bigger preserved operations need to follow the lead of the Severn Valley and build carriage sheds to protect such historic treasures. It's all very well dedicating huge sums and effort into restoration and preservation (even re-creation) of locomotives but without more attention to their rolling stock heritage lines will all start to look the same with nothing but BR Mk1s for passengers to travel in.
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I think you're absolutely right. I'm not sure the NYMR has a great deal of options in terms of a site for such a facility but I would not be surprised if finding such a location is one of the outcomes of this incident.

For many other smaller preservation operations I think a much more deliverable option would be to install palisade fencing at least at key stabling locations. Clearly there are complications around gating these areas off from the running lines in some way (to keep the integrity of the secure area) but these should not be ultimately difficult to overcome.
 
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Curious, it's the same link I copied from the unoffical NYMR Forum and used on the LNER Encycloprdia forum where it worked fine. I've even tried editing and replacing it, to no avail. Anyhow if you go the NYMR website you can access it there. Thankfully others have added links that take you to the press release.
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Thank you, I have been able access this now. It does look bad.
 
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Shaw S Hunter said:
Just for a change how about we lead the discussion in the direction of prevention. As time inevitably passes the historic value of such vehicles rises and yet most heritage lines just park them in open sidings while at the same time keeping their "precious" locomotives in (secure) loco-sheds. Surely the bigger preserved operations need to follow the lead of the Severn Valley and build carriage sheds to protect such historic treasures. It's all very well dedicating huge sums and effort into restoration and preservation (even re-creation) of locomotives but without more attention to their rolling stock heritage lines will all start to look the same with nothing but BR Mk1s for passengers to travel in.
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indeed - but that all costs money so we had best dig deep.

For the NYMR i should think space will be the governing factor. I am not sure where they could build a carriage shed
 
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A carriage shed location is available and surveys have been done. The location was partially covered by CCTV.
Faces have been caught and a couple of the perpetrators are supposedly known.

Not least because one possibly two documented their antics on snapchat and one of the recipients was an NYMR volunteer
 
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A carriage shed location is available and surveys have been done. The location was partially covered by CCTV.
Faces have been caught and a couple of the perpetrators are supposedly known.

Not least because one possibly two documented their antics on snapchat and one of the recipients was an NYMR volunteer
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Where is that location please? Part of a suitable punishment could be cleaning ash out of locos and also washing down coaches (etc).
 
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I think you're absolutely right. I'm not sure the NYMR has a great deal of options in terms of a site for such a facility but I would not be surprised if finding such a location is one of the outcomes of this incident.

For many other smaller preservation operations I think a much more deliverable option would be to install palisade fencing at least at key stabling locations. Clearly there are complications around gating these areas off from the running lines in some way (to keep the integrity of the secure area) but these should not be ultimately difficult to overcome.
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A site at Pickering has I believe been identified and agreement for a carriage shed proposed and is part of a large lottery bid going forward. However an equally pressing problem is the the need to replace some iron bridges at Goathland in the next couple of years. The potential too split the line in two has echoes of the bridge 30 situation a few years back. Remember local politics comes into the equation.
 
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I can guarantee they won't get appropriate sentences; the legal system in this country is an absolute disgrace. :(

Unfortunately a small minority of people get enjoyment out of upsetting people, and not enough is done about it :(
 
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I can guarantee they won't get appropriate sentences; the legal system in this country is an absolute disgrace. :(

Unfortunately a small minority of people get enjoyment out of upsetting people, and not enough is done about it :(
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dear dear. :roll: Pray tell what is an appropriate sentence for a minor, in the grand scheme of things, act of vandalism? A birching? 47 years in prison? hard labour? execution? transportation? :roll:
 
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dear dear. :roll: Pray tell what is an appropriate sentence for a minor, in the grand scheme of things, act of vandalism? A birching? 47 years in prison? hard labour? execution? transportation? :roll:
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None of those things, obviously. :roll:

But if you have your way, incidents like this will only increase. The fact is that right now there is very little that can be done about people who are hell bent on ruining things for other people at present, and it starts at an increasingly young age. I see the problems with my own eyes, and I see such individuals get progressively worse, with little or no effective sanctions applied to them throughout their childhood. I don't think you are in a position to see this, and your post is completely nonsensical, so I'll take what you say with a pinch of salt!

As I've told you several times, we will have to agree to disagree on this matter. I certainly have no intention of going round and round in circles with you on any more threads. It's been done to death before!
 
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Am I right in thinking this also appeared in Outlander?

Ugly shame at any rate; having a non-Mark 1 set must be a major attraction for the NYMR, so that's a lot of income gone.
 
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None of those things, obviously. :roll:
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I ask again - what, in your view, is a suitably harsh sentence. You seem to post many moans on topics like this but offer few alternatives. Why is that?

Personally I would fine the criminals the cost of replacement material and labour (that would be needed to fix the damage if the perpetrators weren't doing it) deducted from wages or benefits as is necessary. Then I would ensure the criminals were put to work fixing their damage they caused followed by a nice period cutting weeds alongside the track by hand, doing a bit of heavy manual labour cleaning ditches etc. while wearing a bright pink coat emblazoned with the word criminal.

I simply do not see what locking them away for a period of time for such a minor offence will do other than ensure that a criminal record means that access to work and becoming a decent citizen is difficult/ beyond them.


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But if you have your way, incidents like this will only increase. The fact is that right now there is very little that can be done about people who are hell bent on ruining things for other people at present, and it starts at an increasingly young age. I see the problems with my own eyes, and I see such individuals get progressively worse, with little or no effective sanctions applied to them throughout their childhood. I don't think you are in a position to see this, and your post is completely nonsensical, so I'll take what you say with a pinch of salt!
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You are being silly now. Anyone with a modicum of decency and common sense can see these acts for what they are: Stupid, pointless, purposeless, wasteful, vandalism and destruction.

However, you offer nothing as a solution. It seems you expect everyone to nod sagely and agree with you. What would you do about these terrible kids that apparently I am not in a position to see.

BTW - punishment is only one part of solution. What of prevention?

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As I've told you several times, we will have to agree to disagree on this matter. I certainly have no intention of going round and round in circles with you on any more threads. It's been done to death before!
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mainly because you offer no ideas. You simply moan and then vanish when challenged.
 
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DarloRich said:
dear dear. :roll: Pray tell what is an appropriate sentence for a minor, in the grand scheme of things, act of vandalism? A birching? 47 years in prison? hard labour? execution? transportation? :roll:
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A decent slap. Other punishments don't work, this we know.
 
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