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johntea said:
Purchased a mTicket on the Northern app for a journey involving a change at Leeds, it generates a barcode to let you out of the barriers no issues there...

...however trying to get back in 50 minutes later for my connection using the same barcode 'reject passback'!
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Over a month later with Northern claiming they were aware of this issue and it was being looked into, still the same issue this weekend just gone :roll:
 
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Over a month later with Northern claiming they were aware of this issue and it was being looked into, still the same issue this weekend just gone :roll:
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I don't think I have ever had a ticket that works the barriers at Leeds...
 
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I can't offhand think of any other station with an hourly service that has ticket gates.

Presumably the GC issue will be overcome by holding would-be boarders on the unpaid side until the departure before has left, then release them. I'm presuming similar is enacted at Bratfud Interchange and Halifax?

Edit - Or Kings Cross!
 
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MidnightFlyer said:
I can't offhand think of any other station with an hourly service that has ticket gates.

Presumably the GC issue will be overcome by holding would-be boarders on the unpaid side until the departure before has left, then release them. I'm presuming similar is enacted at Bratfud Interchange and Halifax?

Edit - Or Kings Cross!
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I am about to arrive at a station with an hourly service and ticket gates - King's Lynn.
 
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I am about to arrive at a station with an hourly service and ticket gates - King's Lynn.
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Should have remembered that, I was there last month :oops: Not that they were much use then, as they were open when my train arrived, and open again about 90 minutes later when I departed on the train after.
 
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Yes just to update this thread.

Northern operated stations which had barriers prior to franchise change in April 2016.

Blackpool North
Bradford Interchange
Manchester Oxford Rd
Manchester Victoria

Northern operated stations which have now received barriers since April 2016.

Bolton
Bradford Forster Square
Harrogate
St Helens Central
Skipton
Salford Central
Salford Crescent
Warrington Central
Wigan Wallgate

Stations confirmed to receive barriers (subject to obtaining planning/listed building consent)

Barrow in Furness (November 2017)
Birchwood
Bridlington
Chorley
Dewsbury (TPE)
Glossop (October 2017 subject to planning decision in Aug)
Halifax
Hartlepool
Hazel Grove
Manchester Airport (TPE)
Manchester Piccadilly (1-3) (TPE)
Rotherham Central

Other stations which Northern call at with ticket barriers

Chester (ATW)
Crewe (VTWC)
Darlington (VTEC)
Derby (EMT)
Huddersfield (TPE)
Leeds (Network Rail, Northern run barriers)
Lincoln (EMT)
Liverpool Lime St (1-6) (Network Rail, Northern run barriers)
Liverpool South Parkway (ME)
Manchester Piccadilly (4-7)(Network Rail, VTWC barriers)
Newcastle (Network Rail, VTEC barriers)
Nottingham (EMT)
Southport (ME)
Stockport (VTWC)
Stoke on Trent (VTWC)
Wakefield Westgate (VTEC)
 
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Yes just to update this thread.

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Thanks for that, a most useful and informative list!

Judging by its absence from the 'planned' list, has the franchise requirement for them to be installed at Blackburn been abandoned?
 
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Last I heard it was still under review. Although it seems Northern are looking to barrier those stations that are easy to do (ie one exit, no major structural changes needed) and have a higher level of fare evasion. The franchise requirement no longer stands as it was agreed with the DFT/Rail North that barrierring Salford Central would protect more revenue so a minor alteration has been agreed. There are also stations that they would love to barrier but would require structural changes or multiple gatelines e.g. Meadowhall, Barnsley, Deansgate, Rochdale, Chorley, Shipley, Huyton so are way down the list and may never be done.


I have left Manchester Piccadilly 8-14 off the list as it is being delayed indefinitely at the moment. It is not a franchise requirement but Northern have an agreement to protect revenue (not necessarily to barrier) which they are currently doing. There are financial issues and also issues over the uncertainty of 15/16 going ahead.
 
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Warrington Central should be the easiest one of all then! One entrance and high fare evasion to/from Birchwood in particular.

Deansgate is planned to close after Oxford Road is rebuilt so no point in installing barriers.
 
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Gates are already installed at Warrington Central. I don't think they're in use yet.
 
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BMIFlyer said:
Deansgate is planned to close after Oxford Road is rebuilt so no point in installing barriers.
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Do you have a source for that? The process of closing a station is a very costly process which is why many stations end up with a token service rather than the station being closed. I certainly can't see closing Deansgate being objection free considering it's currently the only place you can interchange between Metrolink and most stations served by the Manchester Oxford Rd to Lime Street stoppers.
 
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Do you have a source for that? The process of closing a station is a very costly process which is why many stations end up with a token service rather than the station being closed. I certainly can't see closing Deansgate being objection free considering it's currently the only place you can interchange between Metrolink and most stations served by the Manchester Oxford Rd to Lime Street stoppers.
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Not able to comment any further at the moment, sorry. There is a plan however for the Metrolink bridge to be linked by a moving walkway from Oxford Road station.
 
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MidnightFlyer said:
Should have remembered that, I was there last month :oops: Not that they were much use then, as they were open when my train arrived, and open again about 90 minutes later when I departed on the train after.
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Would you believe it - the gate at King's Lynn rejected my ticket, and a member of staff had to let me through.
 
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BMIFlyer said:
Warrington Central should be the easiest one of all then! One entrance and high fare evasion to/from Birchwood in particular.

Deansgate is planned to close after Oxford Road is rebuilt so no point in installing barriers.
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Sod getting off at Oxford Road and having to walk back to Deansgate for the Metrolink.
 
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Sod getting off at Oxford Road and having to walk back to Deansgate for the Metrolink.
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The closure of Deansgate would be because once the extra platforms at Oxford Road and Piccadilly are opened it becomes a bottleneck, and also because a western entrance to the extended Oxford Road wouldn't be far from Deansgate anyway. So it's unlikely to happen unless and until Oxford Road is extended.

But if Oxford Road is extended, the bay platform disappears and all trains run through to Piccadilly where alternative Metrolink interchange is available. Agreed it's not as convenient for the Metrolink routes that go via Deansgate-Castlefield - is the idea of a Cornbrook interchange still kicking around?
 
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All of the works to change Oxford Rd and build the new platforms at Piccadilly are currently on hold / in the process of being cancelled so dont hold your breath about Deansgate closing any time soon.

I work at Birchwood quite often and am very much looking forward to these barriers going up. There are alot that simply refuse to pay and walk out, what can you do?
 
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If the work at Oxford Roach went ahead, it would be very likely that Oxford Road would gain Metrolink interchange. The distance between the two stations would also become even shorter than it is currently.

There is no other reason to keep the station open, in practical terms.

If the work at Oxford Road and to construct new platforms at Piccadilly goes ahead is an entirely different question.
 
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All of the works to change Oxford Rd and build the new platforms at Piccadilly are currently on hold / in the process of being cancelled so dont hold your breath about Deansgate closing any time soon.

I work at Birchwood quite often and am very much looking forward to these barriers going up. There are alot that simply refuse to pay and walk out, what can you do?
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As long as there are enough gates. I strongly object as a fare paying passenger to having my journey delayed due to an insufficient amount of barriers/barriers that reject every other ticket/occasional travellers that don't know how to use the barriers (especially with advances). All three of those seem to feature heavily at Liverpool Lime Street in particular, and that gateline can be horrendous-to the extent that when an event is on, they aren't used!

Barriers that work, such as those on the Tube (in my experience at least!), I have no issue with whatsoever.
 
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I cannot find any evidence to suggest the closure of Deansgate (and has been said, the new platforms at Piccadilly are no longer guaranteed)
 
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Yes just to update this thread.




Stations confirmed to receive barriers (subject to obtaining planning/listed building consent)

Barrow in Furness (November 2017)
Birchwood
Dewsbury (TPE)
Glossop
Hartlepool
Hazel Grove
Manchester Airport (TPE)
Manchester Piccadilly (1-3) (TPE)
Rotherham Central

Other stations which Northern call at with ticket barriers

Chester (ATW)
Crewe (VTWC)
Darlington (VTEC)
Derby (EMT)
Huddersfield (TPE)
Leeds (Network Rail, Northern run barriers)
Lincoln (EMT)
Liverpool Lime St (1-6) (Network Rail, Northern run barriers)
Liverpool South Parkway (ME)
Manchester Piccadilly (4-7)(Network Rail, VTWC barriers)
Newcastle (Network Rail, VTEC barriers)
Nottingham (EMT)
Southport (ME)
Stockport (VTWC)
Stoke on Trent (VTWC)
Wakefield Westgate (VTEC)
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Birchwood has three separate entrances to platforms so it should be interesting to see what solution they come up with.
 
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I always thought the Ordsall curve would result in too many trains trying to move down the Pic - Deansgate corridor. I regard the proposed closure of Deansgate station as affirmation of that concern.
 
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Maybe if someone has any credible info on the closure of Deansgate they could start a new thread. Even if proposed tomorrow, it wouldnt happen within the current franchises and wouldn't be of benefit to run more trains unless 15 and 16 at Piccadilly are built and more rolling stock than proposed in current franchises is acquired and money is found from the magic money tree to fund this travelator and there is support from people and politicians for this.

There are far more developed proposals for station redevelopments (ie they actually exist in the public domain) where ticket gates have been installed recently eg. Euston, Stockport, Crewe so i dont think station closure many years off if at all would stop barriers being installed.
 
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