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Blockade to allow Waterloo upgrade to take place, resulting in timetable changes

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The Waterloo disruption page of the SWR website reports that:-

Services to and from Weymouth via Virginia Water will be substantially reduced.

Can someone explain what is meant by this please? Are Weymouth services really being diverted via Virginia Water?
 
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ViscountFan said:
The Waterloo disruption page of the SWR website reports that:-

Services to and from Weymouth via Virginia Water will be substantially reduced.

Can someone explain what is meant by this please? Are Weymouth services really being diverted via Virginia Water?
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Yes, every hour one Weymouth and one Portsmouth are running via Chertsey, calling at Staines and clapham Jn. This has been the case since Thursday.

Though I think "Weymouth" should read "weybridge" as these services have been significantly pruned.
 
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So what do they know that hasn't been made public yet, I wonder...
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First item on the contingency for tomorrow is not running SE into Waterloo to leave the former international platforms fully available for SW especially Windsor line services. SW can sit on the fence for a lot longer as they now have more options.

The worst is case should be P14+ available but likely to be better.
 
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SWR refusing to answer the question re the service tomorrow and instead passing off up the NR twitter account.
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SWR might be waiting for an official confirmation from NR as to what platforms will be available tomorrow
 
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If NR have sense they the routes into/out of plats 11-19 will all be checked first.

I'm half expecting to wake up tomorrow to see that they are running the upgrade timetable for the am peak. They can then start to add additional services back into the plan as the works allow.

Looking at some of the pictures on the internet, it appears that platforms 1-19 are all empty, so they will be some early morning alterations at best for the stock that berths at Waterloo overnight.
 
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Signalling Testing usually requires wheels free, occasionally Wheels stationary.

Of course some of the overnight stablers may be able start from the International Platforms having stabled there overnight instead.
 
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Chaos trying to get into Waterloo. Trains detained in platforms at every station back to Richmond. A friend is on a train which should be in Waterloo now, currently detained at Barnes. It's going to be a long night...
 
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Do they have to test both with a train approaching an empty platform and with a platform part occupied? Do they have to test every possible combination of lines into a given platform?
 
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We are getting there and NR assure everyone that it will be open for the start of service, with various stock movements required but SWR are aiming to run a full service in the morning.
 
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Safety first, but if everything is open then it will be job very well done.
 
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Handback is overrunning, currently no estimate for handback. Network Rail will have plenty of questions to answer this morning.

Lets hope Mark Carne finally resigns as this isn't the first major blockade farce under his term.
 
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Meanwhile at Waterloo...
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There was no delay.. Handed back on time, a great effort to all involved.
Thanks,
Ross
 
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Well it clearly didn't go completely smoothly as all trains on my line (Chessington branch) are cancelled this morning due to the late handback :(
 
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The SWR website is saying there's currently major issues with overrunning engineering work at Waterloo. This was last updated at 0735.

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/live-departures-and-arrivals
An issue has arisen this morning while complex signalling equipment was being tested, you are strongly advised to check before you travel. The Waterloo project has informed us that they are not in a position to hand back Platforms 1-14, despite efforts to recover key milestones in the project, we have been informed that they require more time to complete the work; this will severely affect our train service until 12:00 today.
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The departure and arrival boards aren't looking great there right now.
 
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After the 6.04 to Guildford to Waterloo via Cobham left, the next service isn't until 8.07 and that one doesn't even stop at any stations between Surbtion and Waterloo. The 6.34, 7.06, 7.14 and 7.35 were cancelled.

No doubt the 8.07 can't stop additionally at any stations in between so anyone wanting places at Wimbledon will have to board the 8.07 and wait 20 minutes at Surbtion for a connecting train.

That is on time according to National Rail Enquiries. However it still says the 8.05 Surbtion to Hampton Court service is on time and that hasn't even left Waterloo yet. So I can see the 8.31 Surbtion service being on time but National Rail Enquiries claims it is!

To give Network Rail some slack, if I may, it was a complex job and I'm sure it's very hard to get get all the testing right. Maybe I'm being too generous. Perhaps someone with more knowledge could answer that.

It is a shame is happened though as now the media can just write negative stories. They must be so pleased with this outcome.
 
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Suraggu said:
Handback is overrunning, currently no estimate for handback. Network Rail will have plenty of questions to answer this morning.

Lets hope Mark Carne finally resigns as this isn't the first major blockade farce under his term.
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...... Really?????


Was her personally responsible for the derailment was he? Which is the cause for the overrun.
 
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8.07 is at the platform at lease and has been since 7.38, alas it's delayed. The 8.34 isn't saying delayed but the empty coaching stock 7.17 from Waterloo hasn't left yet. Unless it can teleport to Guildford quickly, I suspect it will be delayed. This is National Rail Enquiries saying it's on time.

Maybe when they do this kind of engineering works, they need to have a phased transition of services in case issues like this occur. Would all these problems be occurring on last Monday's timetable?
 
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Waterloo to Salisbury/Exeter St Davids 1 train per hour (depart Waterloo xx.20)
Waterloo to Basingstoke 2 trains per hour (depart Waterloo xx.12 & xx.42 - Calls all stations between Surbiton and Woking)
Waterloo to Guildford (via Cobham) 2 trains per hour (depart Waterloo xx.03 & xx.33 - Calls additionally at Berrylands, Raynes Park and New Malden)
Waterloo to Guildford (via Epsom) 2 trains per hour (depart Waterloo xx.09 & xx.39)
Waterloo to Kingston (via Richmond) 2 trains per hour (depart Waterloo xx.03 & xx.33)
Waterloo to Weybridge (via Hounslow) 2 trains per hour (depart Waterloo xx.22 & xx.52)

In addition, the following shuttle trains will run:
Woking to Alton 1 train per hour (depart Alton xx.44 and Woking xx.30)
Winchester to Portsmouth Harbour (SSO Shawford) 1 train per hour
Basingstoke to Salisbury - 1 train per hour
Poole to Southampton C 1 train per hour
Shepperton to Kingston 2 trains per hour
Hampton Court to Surbiton 2 trains per hour
Guildford to Portsmouth 1 train per hour
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http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/168727.aspx

A lot of the above services are only in the down direction. Also they claim disruption will last until midday. Personally I can't see how it could end that soon. I reckon much later. I know all the platforms are now open but many trains still aren't running, despite them all being open.
 
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The 8.07 was cancelled in the end but they did run the 8.34, 4 minutes late. At least that stops at Wimbledon. I suspect the rolling stock that formed the 8.07 covered the 8.34 instead. If people bothered to attempt to get into work, I imagine that train might be cosy, what with it being the first train since 6.04 to go via Cobham.
 
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YorkshireBear said:
...... Really?????


Was her personally responsible for the derailment was he? Which is the cause for the overrun.
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As Harry S Truman used to display on his desk: 'the buck stops here'.

Do we know the technical cause of the derailment yet?
 
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