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The Ham

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According to The Telegraph the new trains should be sea proof (as long as the track doesn't get washed away):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...run-brunels-storm-battered-great-western/amp/

It t is the sort of clever design solution of which the great Victorian engineer himself would have been proud.

Trains running along the south west coast on Isambard Kingdom Brunel’s Great Western Railway have long suffered from sea spray and salt water corroding and damaging vital equipment.

But a deceptively simple design change is set to ensure the trains can handle the worst of the weather.

The problem is particularly acute along stretches such as Dawlish, in Devon, where the track famously runs alongside the coast on its way to Exeter.

A new generation of ‘Dawlish proof’ trains is set to be rolled out along the route with the promise they will be able to withstand the worst the south west can throw at them.

The 40-year-old trains which currently run on the line suffer from a crucial design fault in which their brake resistors, which dissipate energy during braking and turn it back into electricity, sit in a sunken well on the roof where rain and sea water collects during storms, damaging their working parts.

But the new Class 802 Intercity Express Trains, which will run from London Paddington to Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance from next year, have been designed with a raised platform on which the resistors sit, allowing water to run off the roof and away from the equipment.

Engineers are conducting a series of exhaustive tests to ensure that the sleek, bullet-shaped trains can handle the ferocious Atlantic storms that lash the rugged West Country coast, where huge waves can swamp the rail line.

As part of the tests the high speed trains have been subjected to extreme weather conditions - with gallons of salt water dumped on them - and are now undergoing live test runs along routes in the region, between Bruton and Cogload, in Somerset.

Three of the new trains, built by Hitachi Rail, were put through a giant train washing system, allowing gallons of saltwater to be poured on them to test not only the effectiveness of the brake resistor platforms, but also the waterproof seals of the carriage doors and windows.

The fleet of 33 trains, modelled on Japan’s bullet trains, is being built by Hitachi Rail Europe at its high-tech factory in Pistoia, Italy.

A Hitachi Rail spokesperson said: “The new Intercity Express Trains are designed to cope with the South West’s sometimes stormy weather conditions and have already been rigorously tested including weather simulation tests at our Japanese factory.

“Our engineering team have worked on a design which ensures equipment on the roof will not flood when running in heavy rain or along coast routes.”

Passengers on the new GWR Intercity Express Trains will benefit from more seats, more services and reduced journey times.

During terrible storms in 2014 much of the West Country was cut off by rail when the sea wrecked the main line at Dawlish. It took weeks to repair, with major work needed to rebuild the sea wall on which the track runs.

It is expected the new trains should shave up to six minutes off journey times from Paddington to Exeter and Plymouth, with journeys to Penzance cut by up to 14 minutes.

There will be more storage for bicycles and novel features such as larger and lower overhead luggage racks with glass bottoms to help passengers remember their belongings when they leave the train.

Stations such as Penzance, Exeter St Davids and Taunton and Plymouth will also be upgraded, along with signalling along the route.
 
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Another fine piece of railway journalism :roll:

Are the 802s so advanced they can continue running when the track has been washed away? I also don't recall voyagers being 40 years old :P
 

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Another fine piece of railway journalism :roll:

Are the 802s so advanced they can continue running when the track has been washed away? I also don't recall voyagers being 40 years old :P

I was also thinking what has the Dawlish washout got to do with these trains, poor journalism
 

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TELEGRAPH said:
As part of the tests the high speed trains have been subjected to extreme weather conditions - with gallons of salt water dumped on them - and are now undergoing live test runs along routes in the region, between Bruton and Cogload, in Somerset.
I've noticed the regular test runs with the 802s going on virtually every night between Castle Cary and Cogload, have they got some sort of machine to deposit gallons of seawater on them somewhere along there? If not what are they actually testing, and why that particular piece of track?
 

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Another fine piece of railway journalism :roll:

Are the 802s so advanced they can continue running when the track has been washed away? I also don't recall voyagers being 40 years old :P

I hesitate to give them any credit whatsoever for that disaster of an article, but they have at least now made it a little more accurate!
 

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".... their brake resistors, which dissipate energy during braking and turn it back into electricity,..."

That's darned clever engineering!
 

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I hesitate to give them any credit whatsoever for that disaster of an article, but they have at least now made it a little more accurate!

Quite the current version now says:

It is the sort of clever design solution of which the great Victorian engineer himself would have been proud.

Trains running along the south west coast on Isambard Kingdom Brunel’s Great Western Railway have long suffered from sea spray and salt water corroding and damaging vital equipment.

But a deceptively simple design change is set to ensure the trains can handle the worst of the weather.

The problem is particularly acute along stretches such as Dawlish, in Devon, where the track famously runs alongside the coast on its way to Exeter.

A new generation of ‘Dawlish proof’ trains is set to be rolled out along the route with the promise they will be able to withstand the worst the south west can throw at them.

Several of the trains which currently run on the line suffer from a crucial design fault in which their brake resistors, which dissipate energy during braking and turn it back into electricity, sit in a sunken well on the roof where rain and sea water collects during storms, damaging their working parts.

While the existing 40-year-old High Speed Trains have not been affected, the Voyager fleet operated by Cross Country, which operates between Penzance and Scotland via Dawlish and Bristol, have repeatedly suffered from the problem since they were introduced in 2001.


But the new Class 802 Intercity Express Trains, which will run from London Paddington to Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance from next year, have been designed with a raised platform on which the resistors sit, allowing water to run off the roof and away from the equipment.

Engineers are conducting a series of exhaustive tests to ensure that the sleek, bullet-shaped trains can handle the ferocious Atlantic storms that lash the rugged West Country coast, where huge waves can swamp the rail line.

As part of the tests the high speed trains have been subjected to extreme weather conditions - with gallons of salt water dumped on them - and are now undergoing live test runs along routes in the region, between Bruton and Cogload, in Somerset.

Three of the new trains, built by Hitachi Rail, were put through a giant train washing system, allowing gallons of saltwater to be poured on them to test not only the effectiveness of the brake resistor platforms, but also the waterproof seals of the carriage doors and windows.

The fleet of 33 trains, modelled on Japan’s bullet trains, is being built by Hitachi Rail Europe at its high-tech factory in Pistoia, Italy.

A Hitachi Rail spokesperson said: “The new Intercity Express Trains are designed to cope with the South West’s sometimes stormy weather conditions and have already been rigorously tested including weather simulation tests at our Japanese factory.

“Our engineering team have worked on a design which ensures equipment on the roof will not flood when running in heavy rain or along coast routes.”

During terrible storms in 2014 much of the West Country was cut off by rail when the sea wrecked the main line at Dawlish. It took weeks to repair, with major work needed to rebuild the sea wall on which the track runs.

It is expected the new trains should shave up to six minutes off journey times from Paddington to Exeter and Plymouth, with journeys to Penzance cut by up to 14 minutes.

There will be more storage for bicycles and novel features such as larger and lower overhead luggage racks with glass bottoms to help passengers remember their belongings when they leave the train.

Stations such as Penzance, Exeter St Davids and Taunton and Plymouth will also be upgraded, along with signalling along the route.
 

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...brake resistors, which dissipate energy during braking and turn it back into electricity...
Whoever wrote that obviously didn't pay attention in science at school, and the article has obviously not been proof read. Resistors don't turn anything into electricity, they consume electricity and convert it into heat. This is basic stuff.
 

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Whoever wrote that obviously didn't pay attention in science at school, and the article has obviously not been proof read. Resistors don't turn anything into electricity, they consume electricity and convert it into heat. This is basic stuff.

I fear proof reading has died, the amount of elementary errors I see in publicity these days.

Crikey, there are errors on road signs in MK from when they last replaced them. I increasingly feel tempted to go out with a stencil and spray can and correct them.
 

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For anyone interested, 800 005 ran through Reading at around 15:10 on what I assume was a test run.
 

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Are the 'services' via the Stroud valley line at around half past nine in the morning a regular one?
 

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5X09 Newcastle - Doncaster (should of been from Edinburgh), passing York 05/09/17. Both with pantograph up.

Test run should of been 1st visit to Edinburgh Waverley, but for reasons unknown, units sat at Tyne Yard for 4 hours then moved forward to Newcastle, then returned to Doncaster.

Poor video but took me by surprise as late platform change.

https://youtu.be/Fu4pznbH3cs
 
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Are the 'services' via the Stroud valley line at around half past nine in the morning a regular one?

They're driver handling/pass out trips. They're fairly regular but still only run as required.
 

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Was two 5 cars coupled together floating around Bounds Green and KX today. Didn't get any numbers but doubt it was one of ours (VTEC)
 

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5X09 Newcastle - Doncaster (should of been from Edinburgh), passing York 05/09/17. Both with pantograph up.

Test run should of been 1st visit to Edinburgh Waverley, but for reasons unknown, units sat at Tyne Yard for 4 hours then moved forward to Newcastle, then returned to Doncaster.

Poor video but took me by surprise as late platform change.

https://youtu.be/Fu4pznbH3cs

Out again today, just going south through Doncaster at 16:15 - looks like the same couple - one with one end in VTEC and the rest all white and the other all white
 

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Out again today, just going south through Doncaster at 16:15 - looks like the same couple - one with one end in VTEC and the rest all white and the other all white

It's not VTEC colours, it will be 800001 and 800002, of which one has red at one end from when the IEP was launched by David Cameron at Newton Aycliffe.
 

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Excuse me for asking, but what head codes do the GWR training runs use and how would I find out about workings?

Thanks
 

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At the moment they are running as 3X** headcodes. There are two diagrams, and most days Mon-Fri both operate. There is little/no training at weekends at present. At the moment, both sets are coming off North Pole because of the Bristol Parkway blockade but from the Monday after next, will be back to 1x North Pole and 1x Stoke Gifford diagram.

Each set comes off depot at approximately 0630 and undertakes training runs in the AM until 1200 when each arrives on Reading TCD. They then remain there for training purposes until about 1545 when each set comes out again (separately) for a PM run that ends at their depot around 2130.

There are also conditional 'Q paths' for extra training runs between 1200-1530 based on Reading-Reading circuits on the odd occasion they're not required on Reading depot.
 

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Is the HST timing load because:
  • 800s don't have their own SRTs
  • They have to interwork with HSTs until the entire fleet is in service so no point timing them any faster
  • They're being cautious and using HST timings so that HSTs can substitute if there are problems, or
  • Other

e> they are so slow on diesel they wont be any quicker overall than a HST.
 

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That particular myth has been put to bed.

Has it really?
Without wishing to willy wave have you been in the front cab of one going up hill on diesel power because I have, and I have first hand experience of the full power, slow crawl up the hill!

Or was I mistaken on what I could see with my own eyes and hear with my own ears?
 

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I would be very interested in what actual experience the 'bed putter' has actually had of them running on diesel power?
I have zero experience since I'm not a driver as you're fully aware. However they have exactly the same power packs as the 802s so there's no reason to consider them underpowered.

They are currently limited to be pretty much par with HSTs since they are interworking with them for the time being, but they have been shown to be capable of hitting 125mph plus on diesel, and it getting there quicker than a HST would.
 

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I have zero experience since I'm not a driver as you're fully aware. However they have exactly the same power packs as the 802s so there's no reason to consider them underpowered.

They are currently limited to be pretty much par with HSTs since they are interworking with them for the time being, but they have been shown to be capable of hitting 125mph plus on diesel, and it getting there quicker than a HST would.

So you are saying I am wrong/blind and/or deaf then.

They do have the same engines but they are set at 700kW not the full 940 so they are a lot (and I do mean a lot) slower than a HST.

There are plans to upgrade them to the full 940kW but as far as I am aware the change to the contracts has not been agreed yet, probably how much more Hitachi are going to charge hasnt been agreed yet.
 

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I would be very interested in what actual experience the 'bed putter' has actually had of them running on diesel power?

A lot of talk by engineers on how Network Rail plan to run things for the 'First Day' and I believe at the moment the aim is to focus on testing the OLE between Maidenhead and Reading, and between Reading and Tilehurst on the weekend of 16th and 17th September. Although the timetable change won't occur until January 2018, should the testing prove successful, the IET's will run electric from Paddington right through to Didcot, and either stop at Didcot and change the power mode to diesel or do it whilst passing Didcot. Either way, because of the late running of the electrification, IET's won't be going much above 110mph between Didcot and Swindon until late next year.
 
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