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LDECRexile

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I did a car and shanks's tour from Salford to Adlington today. Apart from getting cracking on the Anderton Hall Crossing I mentioned on Wednesday I didn't see anything excitingly new or different.

I'm encouraged by Ian's observation on the Clifton HV Switching Station, that is a biggy.

Photos in the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633
 
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8532d Park House Bridge ...The next mast after the furthest in this shot is five and a half miles away, north of Farnworth.

That is truly disappointing. A five and a half mile gap with only 10 weeks to go. Its time Network Rail came out and was honest with the rail community about what the actual completion date will be.
 

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Codville has kindly sent four shots showing progress - notably mast bases - at Poulton-le-Fylde.

I've added them to his album here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157676830624615

and to the Combined Volume here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633

Thank you Codville

New, intermittent or forgetful readers please note that 42626 and Railrover700 are two of the six people who have kindly linked their
fine flickr albums to the Combined Volume. You can access them 24/7 by going into it and clicking on the very first image then looking down the Comments, where
you will see the links.

I think it's tremendous that people act with such unselfishness. Thank you.
 

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Could somebody tell me why there is so much room for the tracks at Bolton
If you're referring to the wide space in the middle it's because there were at one time through tracks for non-stopping trains. These were removed many years ago - somebody will know when. With very few non-stopping passenger trains and hardly any freight there is no reason for them, and removing them makes the pointwork either end simpler, cheaper to maintain, and possibly able to be used at a higher speed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...y_Street_railway_station_2118121_46569013.jpg
 

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There are many fully dressed masts up ready for wires between Lostock and Euxton.
However, I counted 50-odd bases without masts, as an indication of what remains to be done before wiring starts.
Some of these might be the original "wrong" ones of course, and not be needed.
Still no sign of supports for the wires through P2 at Salford Crescent, and there is a gap in the steelwork for the join west of Salford Central.
Euxton Jn is not fully wired either, there are registration arms dangling free still.
But plenty of progress with steelwork and the bits.
Base construction is still in progress south of Lostock.
A new stack of piles was being delivered to Agecroft as I passed.
 

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If you're referring to the wide space in the middle it's because there were at one time through tracks for non-stopping trains. These were removed many years ago - somebody will know when. With very few non-stopping passenger trains and hardly any freight there is no reason for them, and removing them makes the pointwork either end simpler, cheaper to maintain, and possibly able to be used at a higher speed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...y_Street_railway_station_2118121_46569013.jpg
Thanks for that I did wonder.
 

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I had a trip in from HID to Salford Crescent this morning, I saw a mast at Moses Gate (Manchester bound side). I'm staggered by the large gaps in progress. I would hope that 95% of bases are in and just need masts. The lack of mastification and danglification for such large sections between Bolton and Salford (service date Dec 2017) but so much progress between Preston and Blackpool for a service date in May 2018 just puzzles me.

On 11/12/17 the 6:00am Bolton to Man Vic shows as a EMU, really?

Are they getting additional rolling stock to cover the new half hourly service on the Blackburn line and not planning to run that many EMU on the newly electrified line (:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:)

Only 8 weeks to go, waiting for the surprise surprise we won't be going live annoucement
 

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Only 8 weeks to go, waiting for the surprise surprise we won't be going live annoucement
I very much doubt there'll be one. Statements mentioning the completion date for Manchester-Preston have been gradually disappearing from the web.
 

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So it's going to be phased.
The only early phase that would make any operational sense is Salford-Bolton, but that is the stretch where they face difficult ground problems.
Having (eg) Lostock-Euxton ready first is not much use to anybody, except possibly for training.
I note he didn't mention Preston-Blackpool.
I suppose it's possible that section will be ready in May, but the Bolton section won't be.
It does explain the large-diameter piles being used in places.
 

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The video isn't about a Preston to Blackpool which would appear barring any major complication to be ready for in service for May 18
 

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Article in the Blackpool Gazette regarding the RRBs that will be running through the winter whilst the lines to Blackpool are closed.

Concerns have been raised about the journey times. Having lived in the area for most of my childhood and still having family there I must admit twenty minutes between Poulton and Kirkham is optimistic at certain times of the day.


Rail bosses have left just 20 minutes for replacement buses to get to Kirkham from Poulton during the morning rush hour, a move which has been branded a ‘mistake’.

A fleet of 20 new buses, run by Blackpool Transport, will ferry commuters between Blackpool North and Preston from next month, when four-month-long electrification work gets underway.

Blackpool Gazette

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https://be803fe5c416e39d38ae-aa2108...17-10/week-30/Preston-Blackpool-TT-13-mk2.pdf
 

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Yes an interesting situation here.
I live Thornton Cleveleys and from 2004 to 2010 was involved in rail replacement with first Fraser Eagle and then with First Rail Replacement...This means I have knowledge of the problems etc that possibly will happen.
At the Preston end the yard in my day did not have the carbuncle in the way,that is the new whatever that now blocks off half the short stay ,causing in my opinion at certain times of day chaos,as there are up to 10 buses an hour each way,to greet ,unload and reload ...It is going to be interesting !...At Blackpool North,there maybe issues,as don't forget,the station and platforms are being demolished and then rebuilt....Must say I can't see deliveries going onto site via the end buses will be operating...Blackpool South no issues there.
What is different is that one bus operator/supplier is doing the job,Blackpool Transport,with brand new buses....I am wondering if Northern Rail the TOC on the line,will use their own people that do co-ordination or surplus Northern Rail staff will be involved...This will only apply at Blackpool North,other locations will need co-ordinators...Frankly after a week or so,actual mechanics of job will be not an issue,the big issue is checking tickets at B NTH...
Regards timings,they will get altered if found to be impossible,from feedback Blackpool Transport.....
One thing to note is that period of block is with exception of half term the quietest time on the line for passengers.
 

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I'll be taking a trip Preston to Manchester tomorrow and returning on Monday, is there anything in particular I should look out for?

So it's going to be phased.
The only early phase that would make any operational sense is Salford-Bolton, but that is the stretch where they face difficult ground problems.
Having (eg) Lostock-Euxton ready first is not much use to anybody, except possibly for training.
I note he didn't mention Preston-Blackpool.
I suppose it's possible that section will be ready in May, but the Bolton section won't be.
It does explain the large-diameter piles being used in places.

The only thing I can think of is either using the 769s on electric power for just the finished sections, or perhaps concentrating on getting Salford-Bolton done and completely ignoring the rest of the Manchester-Preston section until its finished.
 

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I'll be taking a trip Preston to Manchester tomorrow and returning on Monday, is there anything in particular I should look out for?

1. Any locations where Orangepersons are hard at it
2. Any masts between Squeeze Belly Entry footbridge (Farnworth station will do nicely if you aren't sure where SBEf is) and Agecroft Road bridge.
3. Any masts in stations other than Lostock.

Otherwise, owt which looks interesting to you will be of interest to us all. Photos go down well, too.

Have good trips.

Dave
 

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I'll be taking a trip Preston to Manchester tomorrow and returning on Monday, is there anything in particular I should look out for?



The only thing I can think of is either using the 769s on electric power for just the finished sections, or perhaps concentrating on getting Salford-Bolton done and completely ignoring the rest of the Manchester-Preston section until its finished.

Is the station building itself being demolished and rebuilt?

No, just the loss of two platforms and associated works. The station itself is staying.
 

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Some orangemen busy this morning adding more parapets to the Clifton Station (Rake Lane) bridge. Looked like they were formed from folded steel.
 

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TfGM Committee report seems to now be suggesting May 2018 for the Manchester - Bolton - Preston electrification maybe "March 2018 at the earliest"

https://www.greatermanchester-ca.go...d/2510/item_06_local_rail_service_performance

I presume you are referring to the following on p.33:

Assuming a diesel operated timetable from December 2017 means that some of the service improvements previously planned are now not possible. This is due to a lack of diesel resources cascaded away from the Manchester to Preston route.

It may be possible to reinstate these services when electrification work is complete. However, it is unlikely to be possible before the timetable change in May 2018 (certainly not before March 2018) due to industry planning timescales.

However, I read this as that any increased services due to cascades will not happen before March 2018, rather than electrification itself. Maybe that's just me being naively optimistic!
 

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There's also paras 16.1 to 16.6 on p. 22, includig this:

6.3 Changes to this timetable have been made in response to the delayed construction works for Phase 4 Electrification (Manchester to Preston). Work continues to ensure that the work is completed as soon as possible but we have been advised that the delivery date is now after December 2017.

There's also stuff in Appendix F about how units that would otherwise be made idle by the Blackpool blockade will be redeployed.
 
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