UK Rail Map Feedback

Mordac · 17 Oct 2017

Some of you might be familiar with the maps published on this website: http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/maps.php

Sadly, their author, Boris Chomenko, has not had time to update them for a while, and neither has the webmaster of the site had time to do much with it either. I had been keeping a copy of the UK map, and updating it as I found new information, although I'm sure I've missed a few things.

I contacted Mr. Chomenko a few days ago, and he kindly granted his permission for me to post the updated version here to ask for feedback: by which I mean, any thing I might have missed in terms of changes since the map had last been fully updated.

I'm 99.9% sure there are things I've missed, so please, do let me know. I'm posting a reduced thumbnail to fit the forum better, but you can just see a full size image by clicking on it.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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GRALISTAIR · 17 Oct 2017

Mordac said:
Some of you might be familiar with the maps published on this website: http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/maps.php
Thanks in advance for any feedback.

https://imgur.com/zCK7CU7

Wow great resource thanks

pdeaves · 17 Oct 2017

Mordac said:
I'm 99.9% sure there are things I've missed, so please, do let me know. I'm posting a reduced thumbnail to fit the forum better, but you can just see a full size image by clicking on it.

Not an omission as such, but you might as well close up the electrification gap between Maidenhead and Reading as it will come into use in January.

Railsigns · 17 Oct 2017

The station near Dublin shown as 'Pace' is actually named 'M3 Parkway'.

Chrisyd · 17 Oct 2017

There are the electrified lines from Liverpool to Manchester, and Liverpool to Wigan which are still shown in Green, unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to identify which exact ones they are!

snowball · 17 Oct 2017

Chrisyd said:
There are the electrified lines from Liverpool to Manchester, and Liverpool to Wigan which are still shown in Green, unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to identify which exact ones they are!

No, they're shown in blue. That was the first thing I checked when I first looked at it.

WatcherZero · 18 Oct 2017

You have Ormskirk as Orms. in the Key but O. on the actual map

Bovverboy · 18 Oct 2017

Chrisyd said: ↑
There are the electrified lines from Liverpool to Manchester, and Liverpool to Wigan which are still shown in Green, unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to identify which exact ones they are!

snowball said:
No, they're shown in blue. That was the first thing I checked when I first looked at it.

It depends upon which map you look at.

Chrisyd · 18 Oct 2017

Bovverboy said:
It depends upon which map you look at.

Looking at the version I looked at last night, they are now blue, whether this was me having a mental blip or very quick updating, I am not sure. To be clear I was looking at the large map, not the zoomed in one for the North West.

The Quincunx · 18 Oct 2017

Looks nice. But if you are including the Republic of Ireland then it is more than a "U.K." rail map. (And please don't say "British Isles" either!)

AC47461 · 18 Oct 2017

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the line between Waterford and Rosslare in Ireland is technically closed. I seem to remember reading on an Irish forum, and from you tube videos that it's still used for the occasional stock transfer, weedkiller train and a few other misc turns.

DynamicSpirit · 18 Oct 2017

Very nice map. Looks like a lot of work went into it.

Slightly shocked looking at it at just how little of the network is electrified. That map really brings out how many lines are still diesel-run (although I realise the electrified routes tend to be where the most frequent services are). Also surprised to see how sparse the rail network is in Ireland (although I guess in part that's because the population density is lower).

As a minor design point, showing freight-only lines in darker, more prominent, colours than passenger lines feels like the wrong way round.

itfcfan · 18 Oct 2017

These are very useful maps - it would be great if a group was able to start maintaining them again. Thanks for your efforts...

I was interested to find what had been changed since the original version from 2011, so I used online-image-comparison.com to compare them. I've attached the results (red lines/text show the changes).

Hornet · 18 Oct 2017

AC47461 said:
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the line between Waterford and Rosslare in Ireland is technically closed. I seem to remember reading on an Irish forum, and from you tube videos that it's still used for the occasional stock transfer, weedkiller train and a few other misc turns.

It is still open. I believe it is classified as an "Engineers Siding". No stock transfers take place, but there are between three or four movements a year including the weedkiller train and the odd rail borne inspection vehicle.

snowball · 18 Oct 2017

Bovverboy said:
It depends upon which map you look at.

Sorry, I didn't realise there was more than one.

GRALISTAIR · 18 Oct 2017

DynamicSpirit said:
Very nice map. Looks like a lot of work went into it.

Slightly shocked looking at it at just how little of the network is electrified. That map really brings out how many lines are still diesel-run (although I realise the electrified routes tend to be where the most frequent services are).

Agreed but by end of 2018 with huge length of GWML electrified plus Manchester - Blackpool it should start looking a little better.

Mordac · 18 Oct 2017

pdeaves said:
Not an omission as such, but you might as well close up the electrification gap between Maidenhead and Reading as it will come into use in January.

I'll close it when the switch has been flipped, so to speak.

Railsigns said:
The station near Dublin shown as 'Pace' is actually named 'M3 Parkway'.

I actually knew that, but couldn't be arsed changing it. Done now :P

WatcherZero said:
You have Ormskirk as Orms. in the Key but O. on the actual map

Thanks, legend fixed.

The Quincunx said:
Looks nice. But if you are including the Republic of Ireland then it is more than a "U.K." rail map. (And please don't say "British Isles" either!)

Fair enough. Can't change the title now though. Mods feel free!

AC47461 said:
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the line between Waterford and Rosslare in Ireland is technically closed. I seem to remember reading on an Irish forum, and from you tube videos that it's still used for the occasional stock transfer, weedkiller train and a few other misc turns.

Hornet said:
It is still open. I believe it is classified as an "Engineers Siding". No stock transfers take place, but there are between three or four movements a year including the weedkiller train and the odd rail borne inspection vehicle.

The Irish Rail Network Statement states on p. 10 "3.2.1 Limits A number of lines are currently not available for traffic, these being [...] Waterford–Rosslare Strand[.]" So even if it's used for departmental traffic, it's as good as closed, and that's how I'm treating it.

DynamicSpirit said:
Very nice map. Looks like a lot of work went into it.

Slightly shocked looking at it at just how little of the network is electrified. That map really brings out how many lines are still diesel-run (although I realise the electrified routes tend to be where the most frequent services are). Also surprised to see how sparse the rail network is in Ireland (although I guess in part that's because the population density is lower).

As a minor design point, showing freight-only lines in darker, more prominent, colours than passenger lines feels like the wrong way round.

It definitely did, but most of it wasn't mine.

I'm just trying to keep it up to date. Hence the colour scheme ain't gonna be changed, it's just too much effort at this stage.

itfcfan said:
These are very useful maps - it would be great if a group was able to start maintaining them again. Thanks for your efforts...

I was interested to find what had been changed since the original version from 2011, so I used online-image-comparison.com to compare them. I've attached the results (red lines/text show the changes).

That website is great. Thanks for that, I've wanted something like that for ages. I too would like them to start being maintained again, and this is my humble start with the UK and Ireland map.

Chrisyd said:
There are the electrified lines from Liverpool to Manchester, and Liverpool to Wigan which are still shown in Green, unfortunately I don’t have the knowledge to identify which exact ones they are!

snowball said:
Sorry, I didn't realise there was more than one.

There isn't. Well, other than the original pasted on the Trainspotting website....

Mordac · 20 Dec 2017

Just bumping this because I've been doing some work on the London inset, but this is the area of the network I know least about, so could really use the feedback here.

30907 · 20 Dec 2017

It doesnt enlarge well for me, but it looks as though Factory Jn-Longhedge Jn-Clapham Jn is still shown as freight only, which LOL would dispute.

AFAIK the only purely freight route in that area is Longhedge Jn-Latchmere Jn (plus the two normally unused Eurostar spurs).

Mordac · 20 Dec 2017

30907 said:
It doesnt enlarge well for me, but it looks as though Factory Jn-Longhedge Jn-Clapham Jn is still shown as freight only, which LOL would dispute.
AFAIK the only purely freight route in that area is Longhedge Jn-Latchmere Jn (plus the two normally unused Eurostar spurs).

Thanks for letting me know it's not enlarging well. Can you try this link instead and see if it works better: https://i.imgur.com/1Cg4eiH.png

Also, thanks for letting me know about the missing updates, I'll upload an updated version after waiting a bit to see if someone else adds updates.

GRALISTAIR · 21 Dec 2017

Mordac said:
Thanks for letting me know it's not enlarging well. Can you try this link instead and see if it works better: https://i.imgur.com/1Cg4eiH.png

Also, thanks for letting me know about the missing updates, I'll upload an updated version after waiting a bit to see if someone else adds updates.

Put your updates after the new year - strong chance chunks of GOBLIN will be electrified by then

hwl · 21 Dec 2017

GRALISTAIR said:
Put your updates after the new year - strong chance chunks of GOBLIN will be electrified by then

All done and live apart from the ECML link which gets done over this extended weekend.

Mutant Lemming · 21 Dec 2017

The Quincunx said:
Looks nice. But if you are including the Republic of Ireland then it is more than a "U.K." rail map. (And please don't say "British Isles" either!)

That would depend if you are in Derry or Londonderry

- there are always TWO sides to every disagreement excluding one side doesn't mean they're wrong (or right)

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