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Welwyn North - 3rd November

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mlb54

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Damage reported to the overhead wires, delays expected until 12.00, trains being diverted around the Hertford Loop. Virgin cancelling some Leeds Trains
 
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We're dealing with the ensuing chaos here at Hertford North. People on the gateline are telling us to go to Hertford east, driver of the trains are trying to announce services. No one really knows what's going on.

Upside is that my train will apparently be fast to Alexandra Palace, when we finally leave

Edit: scratch that, just been turfed off that train and told to get an all stops to moorgate. Which is about to get hellishly busy. Great...
 

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Current info on the NRE website:

Damage to the overhead wires at Welwyn North is causing disruption to trains between Stevenage and London Kings Cross / Moorgate.

Trains may be delayed by up to 60 minutes, cancelled or revised. We anticipate this disruption to continue until approximately 12:00.

Advice for Great Northern Customers:

Trains are running between Welwyn Garden City / Hertford North and London. Services may be diverted via Hertford North. Knebworth and Welwyn North will not be served.

The following timetable will operate:

  • 1 Peterborough to London Kings Cross train per hour, in both directions.
  • 2 Cambridge to London Kings Cross trains per hour, in both directions.
  • 1 Hertford North to Moorgate train per hour (not calling at Bayford or Crews Hill), in both directions. A bus service will call at Stevenage, Watton at Stone, Hertford North, Bayford, Cuffley & Crews Hill.
  • 1 Gordon Hill to Moorgate train per hour, in both directions.
  • 1 Kings Lynn to Cambridge train per hour, in both directions.

Rail replacement buses are running between Stevenage and Welwyn Garden City calling at Knebworth and Welwyn North, in both directions.

You may also use your ticket on Greater Anglia, Thameslink and Virgin Trains East Coast services via any reasonable route.

To help you plan your journey to your destination or to a nearby station via alternative means. An alternative route map is available here.

Advice for Virgin Trains East Coast Customers:

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or diverted via Hertford North.

You may use your tickets on:

  • East Midlands Trains via any reasonable route
  • Thameslink services between Peterborough and London Kings Cross
A map showing alternative route options can be found here.

Advice for Grand Central and Hull Trains Customers

Trains will be diverted via Hertford North extending journey times by up to 25 minutes.
 

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Must congratulate GN on their response today. Trains are running pretty much normally between WGC and Moorgate so people could still get a train, even if it is slower.
 

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Given that the 08:33 ex WGC is still en route to Moorgate (30 late Old Street) and that the previous two trains (the 07:59 and 08:17) were both cancelled, and the following train the 09:02 is either cancelled (Real Time Trains) or running about 35 minutes late at New Barnet (Open Trains Map), plus few trains there have been are also carrying the load on the completely absent Cambridge - King's Cross slows and the 08:44 King's Cross, that may be (to paraphrase Douglas Adams), 'a strange new use of the word normal of which the passengers were not previously aware', especially if they were trying to board at Oakleigh Park or New Southgate! To be fair to GN it isn't usually this bad (although this is the second time this week)... :-/

It is probably all the more galling for Hertford Loop Passengers that service through Welwyn North was restored at about 08:25, leaving the loop more or less devoid of both GN Moorgate services and Mainline trains!
 

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Seemed to be a bit of a shambles in miscommunications this morning.

I was lucky - I caught the 07:09 from Letchworth which was about 5 minutes late and running as 12-coaches as normal (arrived in Kings cross around 08:20). I was expecting it would be a fight to board, but the rear section was fairly quiet. I had to stand, but I think there were only 4 of us in the entire doorway and no-one standing along the length of the coach. It looks like the next train to leave Letchworth was at 08:30 !

The website was promising this:
The following timetable will operate:
  • 1 Peterborough to London Kings Cross train per hour, in both directions.
  • 2 Cambridge to London Kings Cross trains per hour, in both directions.
  • 1 Hertford North to Moorgate train per hour (not calling at Bayford or Crews Hill), in both directions. A bus service will call at Stevenage, Watton at Stone, Hertford North, Bayford, Cuffley & Crews Hill.
  • 1 Gordon Hill to Moorgate train per hour, in both directions.
  • 1 Kings Lynn to Cambridge train per hour, in both directions.

it seems that they didn't mention that the normal stopping patterns would not be altered! I was surprised that the 07:09 service I was on still went non-stop from Letchworth to Kings Cross via Hertford. so a 12 coach service that was relatively empty (i.e. lots of spare standing room available) did not stop at Hitchin or Stevenage - platforms at both stations appeared to be rammed when we went past. I don't think anything towards London called at Ashwell or Baldock for a long period.

I don't know about the later 2 fast services (07:15 and 07:45) from Cambridge - they are usually non-stop after Royston. not sure if they made additional stops or not but nothing was mentioned on the website or journeycheck. It looked like there were no other services running on the Cambridge branch.

In the past there was a well-publicised emergency timetable that both FCC and previously WAGN used for running via the Hertford loop which worked reasonably well. 2tph Cambridge - Kings Cross based on normal semi-fast stopping pattern admittedly this was based on 8 coach running so the present 12 coaches should be an improvement - but looked like this meant that some stations that could not take 12-coach trains such as Baldock were omitted today. Previously there was also an hourly all stations shuttle that would terminate in Stevenage platform 2 so it could turn back north & also allowed non-London passengers to get to Stevenage.
 

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Seemed to be a bit of a shambles in miscommunications this morning.

I was lucky - I caught the 07:09 from Letchworth which was about 5 minutes late and running as 12-coaches as normal (arrived in Kings cross around 08:20). I was expecting it would be a fight to board, but the rear section was fairly quiet. I had to stand, but I think there were only 4 of us in the entire doorway and no-one standing along the length of the coach. It looks like the next train to leave Letchworth was at 08:30 !

The website was promising this:


it seems that they didn't mention that the normal stopping patterns would not be altered! I was surprised that the 07:09 service I was on still went non-stop from Letchworth to Kings Cross via Hertford. so a 12 coach service that was relatively empty (i.e. lots of spare standing room available) did not stop at Hitchin or Stevenage - platforms at both stations appeared to be rammed when we went past. I don't think anything towards London called at Ashwell or Baldock for a long period.

I don't know about the later 2 fast services (07:15 and 07:45) from Cambridge - they are usually non-stop after Royston. not sure if they made additional stops or not but nothing was mentioned on the website or journeycheck. It looked like there were no other services running on the Cambridge branch.

In the past there was a well-publicised emergency timetable that both FCC and previously WAGN used for running via the Hertford loop which worked reasonably well. 2tph Cambridge - Kings Cross based on normal semi-fast stopping pattern admittedly this was based on 8 coach running so the present 12 coaches should be an improvement - but looked like this meant that some stations that could not take 12-coach trains such as Baldock were omitted today. Previously there was also an hourly all stations shuttle that would terminate in Stevenage platform 2 so it could turn back north & also allowed non-London passengers to get to Stevenage.

Trouble is that if an emergency timetable goes in, it's pretty much guaranteed to be in at least until the late turns start booking on at the earliest. To be fair to GN, everything was back to normal by midday to the extent that no one would have known any different, which wasn't a bad effort at all in the circumstances.
 

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Some late trains tonight will be cancelled so they can do a permanent repair at Welwyn North. Let's hope nothing goes wrong!
 
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