Caledonian Sleeper discussion

ScottDarg · 12 Nov 2017

GW43125 said:
That begs the question however, if it's got a defective cab, how does it move out of Euston?

Or are they allowed to drag a dead loco on ECS moves?

The loco's always dragged out of Glasgow so I believe it's alright for short hops like that.

Of course, I'm assuming it's a defective cab, could be another reason for it.

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TimboM · 12 Nov 2017

GW43125 said:
That begs the question however, if it's got a defective cab, how does it move out of Euston?

Or are they allowed to drag a dead loco on ECS moves?

Yes - as Scott says, the Glasgow ECS moves (both evening and morning) always has a loco attached at both ends...

...the 5M16 (Highlander) ECS move every morning at Euston still has the 1M16 loco attached on rear;

The 5M11 ECS (Lowlander) ECS move in the morning at Euston varies - the usual approach is for the 1M11 loco to be left on the blocks and it runs round to take 5m16 back to Wembley (with 1M16 loco on rear as above). However, IF there is some issue with the (now) north-facing cab of 92014, it can be left on the back of the stock and go back to Wembley with 5M11; and 86101 can instead run back in after it's done 5M11 to take 5M16.

Are you thinking of the "ban" of running the Sleeper in service on the WCML with a 92 on the rear? If so, this is more of a passenger comfort issue due to the way the 92s are braked (or not!) in this formation which means they clatter into the back of the coaches every time it brakes resulting in plenty of jolting etc. Not an issue for ECS moves though.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

90042 on 1S26

87002 dragged it out under 5S26

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

TimboM said:
Are you thinking of the "ban" of running the Sleeper in service on the WCML with a 92 on the rear? If so, this is more of a passenger comfort issue due to the way the 92s are braked (or not!) in this formation which means they clatter into the back of the coaches every time it brakes resulting in plenty of jolting etc. Not an issue for ECS moves though.

That's the one. Thanks for clearing that up.

QueensCurve · 13 Nov 2017

ScottDarg said:
90042 on 1S26

87002 dragged it out under 5S26

Is this connected with the "technical issue" that is taking out tonight's run to Edinburgh?

Service alterations to Caledonian Sleeper services between London and Scotland
Monday 13 November - London Euston to Edinburgh
A technical issue with tonight's train means that the train will be terminating at Glasgow Central, and won't be calling at Edinburgh Waverley
Guests are advised of the following options to reach Edinburgh.

Leave the train at 06:55 Motherwell, and join the 07:06 Virgin East Coast service to Edinburgh, arriving at 07:52.
Leave the train at 07:20 at Glasgow Central, and join the 07:50 Crosscountry service to Edinburgh, arriving at 08:55.

Sleeper tickets will be accepted for travel on both these services.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

QueensCurve said:
Is this connected with the "technical issue" that is taking out tonight's run to Edinburgh?

Thanks for pointing that out, hadn't seen it.

Not sure, someone else may have more info on it. I can only guess one of the locos has gone, or got flats again, and nothing else is available.

TimboM · 13 Nov 2017

QueensCurve said:
Is this connected with the "technical issue" that is taking out tonight's run to Edinburgh?

I think Scott was just meaning 87002 took the 5S26 ECS from Glasgow Central to Polmadie (as normal) with the 1S26 loco (90042 last night) dead on rear of the stock (as normal). Not that there was any issue with 90042.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

TimboM said:
I think Scott was just meaning 87002 took the 5S26 ECS from Glasgow Central to Polmadie (as normal) with the 1S26 loco (90042 last night) dead on rear of the stock (as normal). Not that there was any issue with 90042.

Spot on, I realise how my phrasing can make it sound like there was an issue.

TimboM · 13 Nov 2017

ScottDarg said:
Thanks for pointing that out, hadn't seen it.

Not sure, someone else may have more info on it. I can only guess one of the locos has gone, or got flats again, and nothing else is available.

I don't know what the "technical issue" is but I don't believe it's a loco issue looking at the various other workings that are not cancelled (e.g. the Edinburgh-Carstairs portion southbound tonight) and the extra paths that have gone in (the only one being a light loco move Carstairs to Polmadie tomorrow morning - VSTP 0B26 - which leaves Carstairs pretty much same time 1B26 would normally go, so presumably using the same driver to take the surplus "Carstairs portion" loco back to Polmadie).

My best (un)educated guess is there's an issue with one of the two seated/brake coaches (or one's missing altogether) on 1S26 meaning the portions cannot be split - as the Edinburgh portion wouldn't then have a brake coach.

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

A "freight train" has failed at Blair Atholl but unless they need a new loco for the SB Inverness tonight, I can't see it being a problem.

47271 · 13 Nov 2017

GW43125 said:
A "freight train" has failed at Blair Atholl but unless they need a new loco for the SB Inverness tonight, I can't see it being a problem.

It looks to me like the southbound Tesco train has conked out somewhere on the double line between Dalwhinnie and Blair Atholl. It's caused the cancellation of the two Scotrail services following it. It shouldn't interfere with the Sleeper, but these things have a habit of rippling on for hours on the HML.

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

In only slightly related news, the 21:31 Aberdeen-Edinburgh is cancelled and punters are being told they can use the sleeper as far as Edinburgh.

Far north 37 · 13 Nov 2017

47271 said:
It looks to me like the southbound Tesco train has conked out somewhere on the double line between Dalwhinnie and Blair Atholl. It's caused the cancellation of the two Scotrail services following it. It shouldn't interfere with the Sleeper, but these things have a habit of rippling on for hours on the HML.

yes is the southbound tesco train says a rescue loco has been dispatched

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

Far north 37 said:
yes is the southbound tesco train says a rescue loco has been dispatched

Left Larbert 50min ago.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

90047 (I think, FL grey at least) away in with 5S95. Looks like 92014 is out of action tonight, with 90047 taking its place on 1S26.

That is, unless it went in on 0S25 (missed it on Railcam) and is working the Highlander tonight.

Far north 37 · 13 Nov 2017

GW43125 said:
Left Larbert 50min ago.

any idea what it is and where it came from

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

Far north 37 said:
any idea what it is and where it came from

66430 is the rescue loco, departed Perth at 18:45.

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

Far north 37 said:
any idea what it is and where it came from

Came from Motherwell as far as I'm aware.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

47271 said:
It looks to me like the southbound Tesco train has conked out somewhere on the double line between Dalwhinnie and Blair Atholl. It's caused the cancellation of the two Scotrail services following it. It shouldn't interfere with the Sleeper, but these things have a habit of rippling on for hours on the HML.

Loco on 4D37 is 66431, reportedly overdue an exam.

Far north 37 · 13 Nov 2017

thanks for the info guy the tesco trains seem to be back to regular 66s now after the class 68s had seemingly taken over for a while

Scotrail84 · 13 Nov 2017

1S26 runs into Glasgow tonight with no split at Carstairs due to the brake van on the edinburgh portion being removed at Wembley due to wheel flats.

ScottDarg · 13 Nov 2017

Scotrail84 said:
1S26 runs into Glasgow tonight with no split at Carstairs due to the brake van on the edinburgh portion being removed at Wembley due to wheel flats.

I was half right at least; wheelflats is the issue, just not on a loco.

GW43125 · 13 Nov 2017

ScottDarg said:
I was half right at least; wheelflats is the issue, just not on a loco.

Makes a change :P

47271 · 14 Nov 2017

Nothing to do with the broken down Tesco train it seems, but I see the southbound Highlander was an hour late into Euston this morning, what happened there?

ScottDarg · 14 Nov 2017

47271 said:
Nothing to do with the broken down Tesco train it seems, but I see the southbound Highlander was an hour late into Euston this morning, what happened there?

Twitter feed mentions an unexplained issue near Bathgate that held up the Fort William portion.

They also noted the Up Highlander left Crewe 26 but then lost another 25 minutes between Hillmorton Jn and Wolverton, not sure what caused that.

Sleeper69 · 14 Nov 2017

Sent via Northampton and kept on the slow line all the way to Euston

ScottDarg · 14 Nov 2017

Sleeper69 said:
Sent via Northampton and kept on the slow line all the way to Euston

Thanks for clearing that up.

I see they put the Down Lowlander in to Glasgow Central P11, instead of P1, as expected.

Sleeper69 · 14 Nov 2017

When the full set (or in this case 15 on) it’s to long for platform 1, platform 11 is I believe the longest in the station, but you still have issues.

ScottDarg · 14 Nov 2017

Sleeper69 said:
When the full set (or in this case 15 on) it’s to long for platform 1, platform 11 is I believe the longest in the station, but you still have issues.

That's what I was thinking. I know you could probably squeeze in another couple of coached and the ECS loco on P1, after that you'd probably be beyond the signal.

I believe you're right about P11 being the longest. I'm sure that was the platform used when the Class 50s came up with 13 (?) coaches + 2 leading locos and I believe it just fit, with the 90 used for ECS being beyond the end of the platform.

Blindtraveler · 14 Nov 2017

Out of all the routes I use regularly the track via Kirknewton has been particularly bad this autumn I have noticed as has the shotts line

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