Pay justification

HarleyDavidson · 17 Nov 2017

Neither politicians or council leaders are worth the money that they're paid.

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philthetube · 17 Nov 2017

jcollins said:
You have an interesting definition of economic reality.

If a role can't be done by someone who isn't qualified to bachelor degree level (or higher in some cases) than the salary should reflect that, whether the job advert says degree required or not. That is economic reality.

TOC employees enjoy the benefits of both public and private sector employment. The 'economic reality' of the railways is without huge government subsides there wouldn't be trainee drivers, there would be train driver apprentices earning something like £200 a week and coming away with a NVQ at the end of their 18 month apprenticeship period. At that stage they'd be offered a reasonable salary e.g. £25,000 per annum - enough to make a train driver a more attractive role than others but not so much it will prevent the TOC making a profit.

Please don't complain if your train is cancelled due to high staff turnover, going back 20 years London busses achieved staff turnover of 50%in some garages, guess what that did to services, this was why Ken made additional payments to top up drivers wages. And bus drivers could be trained in 2 weeks.

Essan · 17 Nov 2017

jayah said:
I have never seen a politician, university Chancellor, council leader or company director justify what they are paid.

I was a company director - of a charity. I earned exactly £0.00 for the 9 years I held that position

Being self employed, my actual income is about half the "minimum wage" for a 45 hour week with no holiday or sick pay. I dont begrudge anyone who earns more though - its my choice. If I want a higher paid job its up to me to get one. Not to moan that someone else gets paid more.

Cowley · 17 Nov 2017

Essan said:
Being self employed, my actual income is about half the "minimum wage" for a 45 hour week with no holiday or sick pay. I dont begrudge anyone who earns more though - its my choice. If I want a higher paid job its up to me to get one. Not to moan that someone else gets paid more.

That’s pretty much my life too Essan and I agree with the last sentiments as well.
Train drivers getting a decent wage for doing a difficult job that requires a large amount of commitment to train for are not the people that should be getting attacked.
I don’t think I could do the job (although I have considered it a couple of times). It seems to me to be a way of life as much as a job and besides that you’re not even allowed to listen to the radio while you’re driving... :lol:

HH · 17 Nov 2017

HarleyDavidson said:
Neither politicians or council leaders are worth the money that they're paid.

Nobody is worth the money they're paid.

Alternatively, no-one is paid what they are worth.

Even if any two people could agree on how you could value a job.

The thread is nonsense and just a chance for people to (unwittingly) show how their views are coloured by their own experience.

fowler9 · 17 Nov 2017

I've got no problem with how much train drivers are being paid. They do a job that is far harder than the "All they do is press a button" crowd realise. Yeah I think soldiers, nurses, policemen and women, Firefighters etc. deserve more money but I don't begrudge train drivers their money. I was in Dubrovnik in September and saw a yacht owned by Roman Abramovich called Eclipse, it was stunning, off the top of my head I couldn't tell you how big it was but it was bigger than most of the Royal Navys ships and he has more than one. I would rather see people like that justify what they earn especially since I believe a lot of his wealth was obtained in some very shady deals.

SPADTrap · 17 Nov 2017

HH said:
The thread is nonsense and just a chance for people to (unwittingly) show how their views are coloured by their own experience.

What happens when individuals read certain newspapers their entire lives...

HarleyDavidson · 17 Nov 2017

SPADTrap said:
What happens when individuals read certain newspapers their entire lives...

You're not on about the Torygraph or the Daily Fail are you?

Dave1987 · 17 Nov 2017

sefton said:
No, they are being paid what they can get away with from their 'blackmail' position due to the gateway to entry and their replacement, subject to how far they can push the government before it decides 'enough is enough'.

Well the current Government would put themselves right in firing line for charges of hypocrisy if they did. They refuse to put in any kind of curbs on pay in the economy siting allowing “market forces” to shape the economy. So if they did put things into place to curb drivers pay there would be a clear own goal and the unions and the opposition would pounce on it.

Dave1987 · 17 Nov 2017

hounddog said:
What about the taxpayers who subsidise those TOCs?

I’m a significant taxpayer thanks! Plus there are no taxpayers subsidies for lots and lots of TOCs. Loads are net contributors to the treasury.

deltic · 17 Nov 2017

HarleyDavidson said:
Neither politicians or council leaders are worth the money that they're paid.

I agree - they are on the whole grossly underpaid - a typical council leader is responsible for £100ms budget and is paid c£50k a year (well in my neck of the woods).

Essan · 17 Nov 2017

Cowley said:
That’s pretty much my life too Essan and I agree with the last sentiments as well.
Train drivers getting a decent wage for doing a difficult job that requires a large amount of commitment to train for are not the people that should be getting attacked.
I don’t think I could do the job (although I have considered it a couple of times). It seems to me to be a way of life as much as a job and besides that you’re not even allowed to listen to the radio while you’re driving...

Aye! Not only can I listen to the radio whilst I work (if I want), but I can peruse internet forums and argue with people who disagree with me, whilst I work

Money isnt everything

bb21 · 17 Nov 2017

I think we're just going around in circles now so time to call it a day.

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