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James Wake

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Same here, it doesn’t show short forms from what I can see, I preferred the old one.
 

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By sheer good fortune, the launch of the new website has coincided with a remarkable upturn in reliability: there are no longer any cancellations, short formations or stops skipped. At least, that's what's reported.

Either that or Southern can't be bothered to provide information to passengers. On reflection, it's probably the latter - they've got plenty of previous in that respect.
 

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Control are well aware that the info they broadcast is not necessarily appearing as it should. This has been flagged up. The Rainbow Board service indicator was apparently not working at one point, but that seems to have been fixed.

Bearing in mind how many months (years?) short formation info wasn't available on the old site, I would agree that a few days of missing info is indeed an inconvenience but will not hurt as much. Delay info is perhaps more urgent, though the departure board pages seem to be working OK.
 

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The old site had a single page which advised of short forms and cancellations well in advance, before that the Twitter team used to tweet the information. The current page has nothing like it, well nothing that works. The departure board pages sort of work but only give 2 hours notice. If you want to check beyond that you need to go to the National Rail website, in which case you might as well go there in the first place. The website also does not show connecting services between your starting point and destination, so only shows through services.

It is however based on the Thameslink website, although I am not sure thats a good thing! Masses of complaints about it.
 

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At the risk of asking the most blindingly obvious question, does nobody think to test these things before putting them live? Southern's incompetence in IT appears limitless.
 

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At the risk of asking the most blindingly obvious question, does nobody think to test these things before putting them live? Southern's incompetence in IT appears limitless.
This is a description of a fairly typical website replacement. The details may and may not apply to the southern one:

People do think of testing before putting things live, but then the project starts running a couple of months late, because it was physically impossible to do it in the original timescales, but nobody actually bothered to plan it properly. Some bright spark will suggest getting it "back on track" by squeezing the testing window. Eventually the later stages of development are squeezed as well, and some features are cut, but they are the ones that haven't been done yet rather than the unimportant ones. The remaining incomplete features - the most important ones that even marketing accept you can't launch without - are then hacked together in about a quarter of the time required, and released with no testing at all.

The original plan actually called for a couple of releases and a beta phase, with a staged switchover which allowed for rollback when things went wrong. Unfortunately the subscription for the old ticket sales service was up for renewal, and it seemed a shame to waste a couple of hundred quid renewing it. Besides there was some planned marketing spend to publicise it, and nobody really felt like making a phone call to put that off by two weeks. It was felt by the stakeholders in the business that since they didn't understand the risks of a big-bang release, they were probably not all that significant, and a decision was made well beyond the pay grade of anybody in the development or IT team to just all pull together and really go for it. In a unified spirit of team, they finally pressed the big red and pressed go, steeling themselves as they did for the 80 hour weeks they were going to have to spend over the next month or two on basic triage and getting features live that turned out to be vital after all.
 

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It's probably a fair assessment of the Southern situation. It wouldn't happen on an e-commerce site where income would plummet; I don't think Southern care because however annoyed you are with them, you probably have no alternative.

Many years ago, there was a bug on the Gatwick Express website that prevented anyone from buying a 1st class ticket. Having got the issue up to executive level, I even provided the exact code fix to correct the trivial error. Yet still it took weeks, if not months, for them to fix the problem, as people who didn't understand what HTML was had to pass information through several layers of similarly ignorant levels of management to whoever it was that dealt with the external subcontractors responsible for the website, who undoubtedly pretended the issue was far more complex than it really was, before eventually coming up with the same bug fix I'd provided weeks earlier.
 

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This is a description of a fairly typical website replacement. The details may and may not apply to the southern one:

People do think of testing before putting things live, but then the project starts running a couple of months late, because it was physically impossible to do it in the original timescales, but nobody actually bothered to plan it properly. Some bright spark will suggest getting it "back on track" by squeezing the testing window. Eventually the later stages of development are squeezed as well, and some features are cut, but they are the ones that haven't been done yet rather than the unimportant ones. The remaining incomplete features - the most important ones that even marketing accept you can't launch without - are then hacked together in about a quarter of the time required, and released with no testing at all.

The original plan actually called for a couple of releases and a beta phase, with a staged switchover which allowed for rollback when things went wrong. Unfortunately the subscription for the old ticket sales service was up for renewal, and it seemed a shame to waste a couple of hundred quid renewing it. Besides there was some planned marketing spend to publicise it, and nobody really felt like making a phone call to put that off by two weeks. It was felt by the stakeholders in the business that since they didn't understand the risks of a big-bang release, they were probably not all that significant, and a decision was made well beyond the pay grade of anybody in the development or IT team to just all pull together and really go for it. In a unified spirit of team, they finally pressed the big red and pressed go, steeling themselves as they did for the 80 hour weeks they were going to have to spend over the next month or two on basic triage and getting features live that turned out to be vital after all.

Sounds like VTEC and their dreadful migration away from WebTIS
 

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Sounds like VTEC and their dreadful migration away from WebTIS
My impression is that the mistakes were made a long time ago with WebTIS. It's tempting to let a third party handle your whole transactional website and far simpler to get up and running, but long term most people regret not keeping control of their customer logins. If they had originally (under EC?) set up their own identity service and had WebTIS authenticate to that then they could have gradually set up new features outside of WebTIS, and had a much more gradual migration away.

And sure they may have been better off concentrating on getting the basics of the migration sorted before they started messing around with stuff like SeatFrog. It's difficult to resist calls from stakeholders to get their feature in though for a number of reasons. 3rd party suppliers are incredibly good at claiming "your tech team just need to paste in this code - it will take them five minutes", meaning that the assumption is that your tech team are rubbish because they can't do this one "simple" job. Marketing are probably under incredible pressure as they haven't been able to grow usage in line with expectations, so they will be in try-anything mode as well as looking for scapegoats. Finally, customer groups will often be mollified by new fluff, particularly if you are doing it instead of fixing a feature that many users didn't know existed, or didn't understand to start with.

I'm not saying that either the VTEC, Southern or Chiltern teams have made the right choices, but they have potentially made the most sane choices available to them as a result of pressure from other areas of the organisation, historical choices and third party suppliers pulling out of the market.
 
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