Xenophon PCDGS
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Well, the England Women test match team had a very bad start in the match, being 16-4 at one stage.
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DarloRich
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The Ashes start tonight: I cant see England getting anything out of the series. I fear a 4 or 5-0 thrashing. Out batting order simply isn't up to it and i cant see how we take 20 wickets in Aussie conditions. Oh and the first game is at the Gabba where we haven't won since abut 1950.
EM2
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It's not quite that bad! It's only since 1986...
Pakenhamtrain
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What on earth have they done to the Gabba pitch. It's a motorway. No bounce, no movement, nothing.
Bad light has stopped play despite it being blue skies and sunny. The umpires has questions to ask as to why they called light 3 balls into the new ball. Judging by Smiths reaction the umps gave no indication that they would call light if the new ball was taken.
STUMPS DAY 1:
ENG 4/196
Malan 28*
Ali 13*
Cook 2 c Bandscomb b Starc
Stoneman 53 b Cummins
Vince 83 run out (Lyon)
Root 15 lbw Cummins
AUS Bowling
Cummins 2/59
Starc 1/45
Lyon 0/40
Hazelwood 0/51
Bad light has stopped play despite it being blue skies and sunny. The umpires has questions to ask as to why they called light 3 balls into the new ball. Judging by Smiths reaction the umps gave no indication that they would call light if the new ball was taken.
STUMPS DAY 1:
ENG 4/196
Malan 28*
Ali 13*
Cook 2 c Bandscomb b Starc
Stoneman 53 b Cummins
Vince 83 run out (Lyon)
Root 15 lbw Cummins
AUS Bowling
Cummins 2/59
Starc 1/45
Lyon 0/40
Hazelwood 0/51
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DarloRich
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An OK performance from England. The key will be how day 2 plays. If England are 400 all out then we have a good position. I fear it will be 275 all out. BTW - happy with the pitch. Good work from the curator 
( the recent odd weather in Aus was suggested as a reason for the placid Gabba pitch.)
( the recent odd weather in Aus was suggested as a reason for the placid Gabba pitch.)
And a crucial first session. Lose a wicket but add around a hundred runs would leave England in a strong position at Lunch. However if we end up losing another two or three (or more!) and only adding fifty odd runs and we'll be in dire straits.
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Glad that the 'phoney war' has ended and thought that England had a reasonably decent day through the efforts of Vince and Stoneman (two of the anonymous three, according to Matthew Hayden). At least waking up this morning wasn't as bad as the last tour, still time tho', but the partnership between these two was higher than anything achieved during the last whitewash.
Haven't got BT Sports so listened to the first hour on TMS last night, very enjoyable as usual. Disappointed that there aren't any highlights on terrestrial channels!
Haven't got BT Sports so listened to the first hour on TMS last night, very enjoyable as usual. Disappointed that there aren't any highlights on terrestrial channels!
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The last tour started with a draw at Brisbane, so maybe we can equal that, at least. I'm interested that Glenn McGrath, in his new media role, has been attempting to dismiss Anderson as useless with the Kookaburra while simultaneously talking Broad up. Given McGrath is to Australian patriotism what Botham is to English patriotism (i.e. jingoistic) I suspect the Aussies are fearful of Anderson and think Broad has lost his mojo, maybe never to recover it. I can see why they might think this, so I hope McGrath (and me
) are wrong.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Day 2 of the Test Match said to start half an hour earlier to make up for time lost on the first day to the weather.
Pakenhamtrain
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And our batsmen are putting in thier usual performance. Nothing. Now we have Shaun Marsh at the crease....... Hope no one told him Maxwell has made 130.
We have arrived at Stumps.
4/165
Smith 64*
S.Marsh 44
Broad 1/18
Anderson 1/26
England were bowled out for 302. The glacial batting from England undid them a bit. at one stage it was 4/240
Australia did what they normally did. Flop until Steve Smith saved the day. Marsh is suprisingly batting well. Perhaps it's because his replacement in Maxwell has made 200 in the Sheffield Shield.
We have arrived at Stumps.
4/165
Smith 64*
S.Marsh 44
Broad 1/18
Anderson 1/26
England were bowled out for 302. The glacial batting from England undid them a bit. at one stage it was 4/240
Australia did what they normally did. Flop until Steve Smith saved the day. Marsh is suprisingly batting well. Perhaps it's because his replacement in Maxwell has made 200 in the Sheffield Shield.
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DarloRich
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England let Aus off the hook a bit sadly. It wasn't our glacial batting to blame for the low score, more our chronic lack of ability. What surprised me is it took Smith so long to work our Ali and Malan cant play a short ball to save their lives.
England need to rip out a couple of quick Aussie wickets and get into the tail in the first session tonight. That means both Smith and Marsh will get 150 each.
Pakenhamtrain
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The theroy behind the glacial batting was to play for a draw with eyes to the Adelaide day nighter. Your bowlers in theory should be turning it around corners during the dusk session.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Well, a quick breakthrough has been made and what looked to be a dangerously big stand has been broken......
Marsh c Anderson b Broad...51. Australia 176-5.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Australia, with Smith making 141 not out and abetted by Cummins scoring 42 by a number nine batsman in support took a 26 run first innings lead in scoring 328 all out.
Pakenhamtrain
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Stumps day 3 in what would have to be a very very intriguing match.
ENG:2/33
Stoneman 19*
Root 5*
Hazelwood 2/11
Cummins 0/1
AUS 328
Smith 141
Marsh 51
Broad 3/49
Australia had thier tail up in the last session. Stoneman looked all at sea against Cummins.
ENG:2/33
Stoneman 19*
Root 5*
Hazelwood 2/11
Cummins 0/1
AUS 328
Smith 141
Marsh 51
Broad 3/49
Australia had thier tail up in the last session. Stoneman looked all at sea against Cummins.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Cook is having the worst possible start to this Ashes Test Match series, scoring only seven in the second innings to add to the measly two he scored in the first innings. We need openers with some backbone.
Xenophon PCDGS
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On day 4 of the Test Match, England were all out for 195 in their second innings, with only Root making a fifty.
Three wickets each for Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon.
Three wickets each for Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon.
Pakenhamtrain
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Stumps day 4 and the game is very much in Australia's grasp now after England's lower order sputtered to 195. Australia have well and truly worked out how to bowl to England now. Its not going to be a fun summer for the English lower order.
ENG: 195
Root 51
Bairstow 41
Hazelwood 3/46
AUS 0/114
Warner 60*
Bancroft 51
There was a touch of controversy with Ali being given out stumped by the DRS. Was a brave call by the 3rd umpire. Some are saying the line was wobbly.
ENG: 195
Root 51
Bairstow 41
Hazelwood 3/46
AUS 0/114
Warner 60*
Bancroft 51
There was a touch of controversy with Ali being given out stumped by the DRS. Was a brave call by the 3rd umpire. Some are saying the line was wobbly.
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Going by scorecard watching only, it seems we were in good positions twice. England 245-4 batting 1st and Australia 209-7 in their 1st innings.
We failed to kill off Australia both times. Day 4 looks a total disaster. Glad it's in the middle of the night and I don't have BT Sport.
There's a NZ v WI test match starting 10pm next Thursday on Sky, going to watch some of that instead!
We failed to kill off Australia both times. Day 4 looks a total disaster. Glad it's in the middle of the night and I don't have BT Sport.
There's a NZ v WI test match starting 10pm next Thursday on Sky, going to watch some of that instead!
Pakenhamtrain
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Johnny Bairstow might be in a spot of bother. He's being investigated by the ECB over an alleged headbutt to Australian opener Cam Bancroft in Perth before the start of the series:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/964ef4654affca58e93d652b298971d1
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/964ef4654affca58e93d652b298971d1
Puffing Devil
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10 wicket defeat. Onwards and upwards!
At least the ACB has said they have no concerns over the Bancroft/Bairstow incident.
At least the ACB has said they have no concerns over the Bancroft/Bairstow incident.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Australia took just over an hour of the morning session to garner the remaining runs they needed on the final day and their second innings score of 173-0 is in marked contrast to the England second innings score of 195 all out. Warner 87 not out. Bancroft 82 not out.
DarloRich
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England made chances in the game and failed to take them. Batsmen got out to obvious pre set traps and were unable to deal with short pitched bowling. The Aussies are not a great team but they are better than England. The failure to get Smith in the first innings was costly but we can not expect to win tests with top scores of 80 odd. The England tail is shockingly poor with the bat and the top order is wobbly.
I said a 4-0 series for the Aussies and I stand by that. We wont get enough runs and we cant take 20 wickets with such a one paced attack. Talk is Wood might come in if he gets through a lions game this week. He at least offers a different pace.
Worth noting we have only lost the first test and won the series in Aus twice.
I said a 4-0 series for the Aussies and I stand by that. We wont get enough runs and we cant take 20 wickets with such a one paced attack. Talk is Wood might come in if he gets through a lions game this week. He at least offers a different pace.
Worth noting we have only lost the first test and won the series in Aus twice.
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How many of the Australian side would get in a World XI? England have IMO two (seeing as Cook can't buy a run these days) - Root and Anderson. And Jimmy's now in his, er, senior days. Others have their good says of course (Broad for example) but from bots sides perspective, this Ashes has an underwhelming feeling.
Pakenhamtrain
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Smith would be one.
Englands bowling should worry. Get through Broad and Anderson with the new ball and runs will come.
Apprantly today Bancroft and Warner broke an 87 year old record of the highest ever unbeaten opening partnership in a successful test chase.
DarloRich
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agreed - limpet like at times. Something some of the England team could learn from.
That and not falling for bloody obvious pre set traps. If they are banging it in at you for gods sake don't try to hook it down the throat of the fielder. Just duck it and let the Aussies blow themselves out.
It does worry. Broad is out of sorts and Anderson isnt his usual self in Aussie conditions. After that..........................................
There is one glimmer: IF England can be bowling at the right times in the day night test the conditions and the ball may suit Anderson
Xenophon PCDGS
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I am sure that on the previous Ashes tour of Australia, some unkind Australian soul referred to Anderson as an "elderly pie-chucker". He has aged since then, so heaven knows how that person would now describe Anderson.
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Steve Smith has converted 50% of his fifties to centuries, Joe Root only 28% (Kohli is 57%, by the way). But it's the bowling I'm most concerned about. Woakes might wreak havoc at Edgbaston or Chester-Le-Street, but it's not going to happen in Oz. I've seen no evidence in any of Ball's test performances that he's up to scratch, while Mooen was pitiful in comparison with Lyon, the latter admittedly now possibly the best off spinner that Oz have ever produced. Before the first test, when Craig Overton was being mooted for a debut, I read somewhere about the relatively few times when England have introduced a new player to test cricket during the first test of an Aussie tour and, remarkably, the results of those tours have almost all been in England's favour, so maybe they missed a trick!
Pakenhamtrain
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Ben stokes has gone to NZ to visit fam........play cricket.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-30/ben-stokes-england-ashes-selection/9211768?section=sport
The irony is that the side he will be playing with suspended one of thier players due to an assault charge.
Fair to say the ECBs bull is being called out at the moment.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-30/ben-stokes-england-ashes-selection/9211768?section=sport
The irony is that the side he will be playing with suspended one of thier players due to an assault charge.
Fair to say the ECBs bull is being called out at the moment.