Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

IanXC · 22 Nov 2017

gsnedders said:
Does anyone know what http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/M19255/2017/12/09/advanced is? Is this some 385 training run, or?

Its in as an unadvertised express, with a class 1 headcode, so I would err towards it being a late notice additional service train.

If it were a training run there would be no reason to use a class 1 (passenger train classifications are more expensive than others).

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InOban · 22 Nov 2017

superalbs said:
It appears not to have passenger stops though, these are shown in bold, as demonstrated by this working at the same station:
View attachment 39696

That linked working is all non-bold, which you only tend to get on non-passenger stops (such as when a train calls at the staff halt just outside of Victoria).
View attachment 39697

I don't understand. The arr and dep times for this 0001 train are all in bold, and why would they have separate arr and dep times unless it called there? I'm wondering whether there are special events on the three Saturdays on which it runs, but it is also listed as an unadvertised express. Curious

IanXC · 22 Nov 2017

InOban said:
I don't understand. The arr and dep times for this 0001 train are all in bold, and why would they have separate arr and dep times unless it called there? I'm wondering whether there are special events on the three Saturdays on which it runs, but it is also listed as an unadvertised express. Curious

At some point route acceptance for the stock will involve calling at all the stations. Things like stopping positions need to be established and tested for instance.

scotraildriver · 22 Nov 2017

These are late night specials in the run up to Christmas. There will also be an 01.10 departure from both Edb and Glq. Formed 2x170

ScottDarg · 22 Nov 2017

Here's a couple of pics of 385103 being moved last night (not my pics):

Credit to Ian Ball: https://flic.kr/p/GQuaBF https://flic.kr/p/ZFLXtw

gsnedders · 22 Nov 2017

scotraildriver said:
These are late night specials in the run up to Christmas. There will also be an 01.10 departure from both Edb and Glq. Formed 2x170

Oh, awesome! I was worried by them being unadvertised, but I did wonder if they were late night specials for Christmas.

GaryMcEwan · 22 Nov 2017

So are we actually going to see anything of an electric nature whether that be 380 or 385 variations come the timetable change in a few days time, or will it delayed again for some mystical reason?

Clansman · 22 Nov 2017

GaryMcEwan said:
So are we actually going to see anything of an electric nature whether that be 380 or 385 variations come the timetable change in a few days time, or will it delayed again for some mystical reason?

There's already 380s knocking about with leather seat coverings and first class stickers, so their roll out on the EG looks pretty imminent.

47271 · 22 Nov 2017

Clansman said:
There's already 380s knocking about with leather seat coverings and first class stickers

Dear oh dear, I joked a few months ago that they'd do this, who do they think they're kidding...

Carntyne · 23 Nov 2017

380s will be running from the Dec timetable change.

380101 · 23 Nov 2017

Carntyne said:
380s will be running from the Dec timetable change.

2 x 7 car sets only from December. There's only 38 380s in total hence the additional 320s to allow extra 314s to run on the Inverclyde services in order to utilise the 4 380s on the E-G.

380101 · 23 Nov 2017

Clansman said:
There's already 380s knocking about with leather seat coverings and first class stickers, so their roll out on the EG looks pretty imminent.

only 2 380/1s will have the temporary first class areas. 380 102 is one of them. Having been on it since it's "upgrade" I'd say it's a poor attempt and will not be well received by first class ticket holders come 10th December.

ScottDarg · 23 Nov 2017

Seen reports elsewhere that a 7 car 380 (380113 was one of the units) ran between Edinburgh and Glasgow Queen St earlier this morning.

Clansman · 23 Nov 2017

380101 said:
only 2 380/1s will have the temporary first class areas. 380 102 is one of them. Having been on it since it's "upgrade" I'd say it's a poor attempt and will not be well received by first class ticket holders come 10th December.

It's not just poor, it's a p*ss take.

InOban · 23 Nov 2017

gsnedders said:
Oh, awesome! I was worried by them being unadvertised, but I did wonder if they were late night specials for Christmas.

The extra trains have now been announced by Scotrail

380101 · 23 Nov 2017

Clansman said:
It's not just poor, it's a p*ss take.

I agree, but it' not worth spending thousands and thousands on a proper first class area on 2 x 4 car 380s that will be used for around 4 months on the E-G before the 385s come into service.

Clansman · 23 Nov 2017

380101 said:
I agree, but it' not worth spending thousands and thousands on a proper first class area on 2 x 4 car 380s that will be used for around 4 months on the E-G before the 385s come into service.

I agree with you there but I fear that using the 380s in their current state would underwhelm the whole transition to electric services.

The chances are that the average passenger will think that the 380s are the oh so 'greener, faster, and longer' trains we all will know and love. The tabloids will have a field day next month when they start churning out their headlines citing the lack of full tables and genuine first class etc, then claim a few months later when the 385s are in service that the change in rolling stock was due to public pressure on ScotRail to 'reinstate them' on EG services.

All in all while passengers fortunate enough to sample the 380s will be, come the new year, accustomed to the electric rolling stock and slightly quicker journeys, any significant improvements which might have been percieved from the step change from 170s to 385s would be lost as a result of ScotRail's handling of the 380s temporary cameo.

As much as 380s are worthwhile in using as a stop gap, the lack of investment in them to bring the level of passenger facilities up to at least on par with what passengers on EG are acustomed to could prove to be an embarrasing marketing oversight.

Typhoon_93 · 23 Nov 2017

Aycliffe Hitachi Update:- 23/11/17

385003-006 on test AY built.
385007-013 in test shed or final assembly.
385014-016 on test JP built.
385031 on test JP built.
385033 just arrived JP built.
385104 on test JP built, full Scotrail livery.
385105-108 in production.
385109-110 some but not all shells arrived yet.
385122-124 on test JP built.

Hope that help
Gareth.

ScottDarg · 23 Nov 2017

Tweet from Scotrail with a gif of 385103 going in to the shed at Craigentinny under its own power by the looks of it:

https://twitter.com/ScotRail/status/933693750722916352

route101 · 23 Nov 2017

ScottDarg said:
Seen reports elsewhere that a 7 car 380 (380113 was one of the units) ran between Edinburgh and Glasgow Queen St earlier this morning.

I presume testing ?

ScottDarg · 23 Nov 2017

route101 said:
I presume testing ?

I assume so, I reckon it'd have caused a bit more of a stir if it had been the first electric service.

92002 · 24 Nov 2017

Clansman said:
I agree with you there but I fear that using the 380s in their current state would underwhelm the whole transition to electric services.

The chances are that the average passenger will think that the 380s are the oh so 'greener, faster, and longer' trains we all will know and love. The tabloids will have a field day next month when they start churning out their headlines citing the lack of full tables and genuine first class etc, then claim a few months later when the 385s are in service that the change in rolling stock was due to public pressure on ScotRail to 'reinstate them' on EG services.

All in all while passengers fortunate enough to sample the 380s will be, come the new year, accustomed to the electric rolling stock and slightly quicker journeys, any significant improvements which might have been percieved from the step change from 170s to 385s would be lost as a result of ScotRail's handling of the 380s temporary cameo.

As much as 380s are worthwhile in using as a stop gap, the lack of investment in them to bring the level of passenger facilities up to at least on par with what passengers on EG are acustomed to could prove to be an embarrasing marketing oversight.

The plan was always to run 380s in the peak till the 385s were finally delivered.

Each 385 when delivered and there are quite a few nearly there at Newton Aycliffe needs to accumulate incident free test mileage before they can carry passengers.These runs will probably be used to train the crews too.

A depot to keep them in at Millerhill would also be handy.

47271 · 24 Nov 2017

I'm genuinely surprised that they're bothering creating 'First Class' by tarting up those 380s. Scotrail has a long and dismal history of running Standard only 170s on routes that should have First and refunding the difference to anyone who complains, I'd say it's as bad as one train in six on the Highland Main Line.

Would they not have been better just advertising a temporary timetable with the affected services identified as Standard only? Then anyone who's that bothered about the dubious joys of bouncing around over the wheels in First on a 170 could time their journey to travel on one, or demand a refund of difference if they must, while 99% of people will be happy to jump on a train that has more capacity than they're used to.

Surely the story they're wanting to tell around the stop gap should be increased capacity, but the way they're doing it they've turned it into one of half ****ed disappointment.

Clansman · 24 Nov 2017

92002 said:
The plan was always to run 380s in the peak till the 385s were finally delivered.

Each 385 when delivered and there are quite a few nearly there at Newton Aycliffe needs to accumulate incident free test mileage before they can carry passengers.These runs will probably be used to train the crews too.

A depot to keep them in at Millerhill would also be handy.

I definitley understood it was always the plan, but I was making reference to the downgrade in facilties onboard the 380s not being rectified or at least improved on - such as the gammy first class, half tables etc.

Clansman · 26 Nov 2017

ScottDarg said:
Seen reports elsewhere that a 7 car 380 (380113 was one of the units) ran between Edinburgh and Glasgow Queen St earlier this morning.

It was an 8 car, consisting of 109 and 113.

SC318250 · 30 Nov 2017

Is there any dates for next unit/units to come north? Also which ones?

Thanks in advance

Bletchleyite · 30 Nov 2017

Clansman said:
I definitley understood it was always the plan, but I was making reference to the downgrade in facilties onboard the 380s not being rectified or at least improved on - such as the gammy first class, half tables etc.

TBH I'd rather travel in a 380 even with no modifications. Better seats, better window view/alignment. The Hitachi units are a VERY poor imitation.

Highlandspring · 30 Nov 2017

And exactly how many miles have you done in a 385 to make that judgement?

Bletchleyite · 30 Nov 2017

Highlandspring said:
And exactly how many miles have you done in a 385 to make that judgement?

I’ve done many, many miles in 350s and ironing board seats, enough to know the Grammer E3000 is a superior seat to the ironing board, and I doubt many disagree. 380s have the Grammer seats and better window alignment (and huge panoramic windows). Why would I even need to travel in one even once to see that?

Typhoon_93 · 7 Dec 2017

A couple of notes from Aycliffe 06/12/17

385008 is now outside on test.
385015 is now in Scotrail livery.

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