Scotrail New and Refurbished Stock update

Carntyne · 7 Nov 2017

applepie2100 said:
Alternatively they might just be the key to having enough serviceable units to run the services it already does. They might even manage to put enough carriages on the North Electrics to make people think they're not trying to rival the Indian Railways!

The North Electrics pretty much run 6 car all day (4tph on Helensburgh/Milngavie to Edinburgh anyway). The trains aren't heaving all day as some make out.

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158722 · 7 Nov 2017

87015 said:
402 is definitely one, had 419 in my head for the other but could well be 418 as it's been a while. Off lease 31/12 to Scotrail as per plan - in theory enough "Bent" ones will be actually working by then to allow GA to fulfill diagrams.

You are right, 419, but seen noted that it and 402 on lease with AGA until February 2018 - delays with the bent ones the cause?

Blindtraveler · 8 Nov 2017

Does anybody know how many 170 s are still to be refurbished and power socket fitted

mcmad · 16 Nov 2017

The 156 issue must have been resolved. On 430 with the new seats unfortunately

Highlandspring · 29 Nov 2017

I've been told that the introduction of 380s onto E&G diagrams next month will result in 2 of the 'silver bullet' 158s being returned to the leasing company, which is something I hadn't heard about before.

Blindtraveler · 30 Nov 2017

This seems a little short-sighted with the diesel fleet refurbishment still ongoing

thealexweb · 30 Nov 2017

Highlandspring said:
I've been told that the introduction of 380s onto E&G diagrams next month will result in 2 of the 'silver bullet' 158s being returned to the leasing company, which is something I hadn't heard about before.

Are these part of the eight Class 158s that are due to head over to Northern? They do need an awful lot of attention.

route101 · 1 Dec 2017

mcmad said:
The 156 issue must have been resolved. On 430 with the new seats unfortunately

Is it still the one 156 with new seats?

mcmad · 1 Dec 2017

No there are at least 2 units with the new iron board seats as I was on a 4 car set the other week with both.

scotraildriver · 1 Dec 2017

510 and 430

route101 · 1 Dec 2017

mcmad said:
No there are at least 2 units with the new iron board seats as I was on a 4 car set the other week with both.

Interesting , still to get a chance to sample them.
Had 158 on the Shotts , original NX interior with broken seat.

Clansman · 1 Dec 2017

route101 said:
Had 158 on the Shotts , original NX interior with broken seat.

Would take that broken seat on the tatty Haymarket 158s any day over having to sit on what felt like a thin pipe under the seat, the last time I was on one. Just goes to show just how bad they are.

route101 · 1 Dec 2017

Clansman said:
Would take that broken seat on the tatty Haymarket 158s any day over having to sit on what felt like a thin pipe under the seat, the last time I was on one. Just goes to show just how bad they are.

Had that a few times the seat has collapsed .

Train man · 2 Dec 2017

The two refrubished class 156’s 510/430 are on the Shotts line today those seats are solid. If im correct.

DanNCL · 9 Dec 2017

One of the 156s with the ironing board seats (510 iirc) made its way to Newcastle yesterday (8th). Is this the first time that a refurbished 156 has operated one of the Glasgow to Newcastle workings?

380101 · 9 Dec 2017

DanNCL said:
One of the 156s with the ironing board seats (510 iirc) made its way to Newcastle yesterday (8th). Is this the first time that a refurbished 156 has operated one of the Glasgow to Newcastle workings?

No. 510 has been plenty of times already.

DanNCL · 9 Dec 2017

380101 said:
No. 510 has been plenty of times already.

Oh, right. I'm surprised I'd never seen it since it was refurbished then, seeing as I'm at Newcastle station several times a week.

Clansman · 3 Jan 2018

The former Hull 170s are currently undergoing a refurbishment program to have their buffets removed to make way for extra seats. 170396 completed and back on the network.

jamieintercity · 3 Jan 2018

Seen this: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97558/2018/01/04/advanced

Interesting move. Could it be a couple of 156s/158s finally going to northern tomorrow?

SC318250 · 3 Jan 2018

Is it not 158/8 going south?

ScottDarg · 3 Jan 2018

jamieintercity said:
Seen this: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97558/2018/01/04/advanced

Interesting move. Could it be a couple of 156s/158s finally going to northern tomorrow?

Reported as 2x158s moving to Northern.

superkev · 3 Jan 2018

ScottDarg said:
Reported as 2x158s moving to Northern.

Anyone know numbers
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ScottDarg · 3 Jan 2018

superkev said:
Anyone know numbers
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Reported elsewhere that it's 158870/871.

Deviating from 158s; a 318 is on it's way back North from Doncaster with another apparently due South tonight.

47271 · 3 Jan 2018

ScottDarg said:
Reported elsewhere that it's 158870/871.

Just out of interest, are those two Scotrail originals or are they ones brought in from other operators in the past?

TEW · 3 Jan 2018

47271 said:
Just out of interest, are those two Scotrail originals or are they ones brought in from other operators in the past?

Transferred from FGW to Scotrail around 2006/7. 871 appears to have had a short spell with Northern between FGW and Scotrail, not sure about 870.

ScottDarg · 3 Jan 2018

47271 said:
Just out of interest, are those two Scotrail originals or are they ones brought in from other operators in the past?

Both look to be ex-Alphaline Wessex Trains.

Below is what I can find from a search on Flickr:

This pic (not mine) of 158870 shows it at Cardiff in 2004 with Alphaline: https://flic.kr/p/VBmsVR
This pic (not mine) shows it in 2010 at Haymarket wearing the Alphaline livery with ScotRail logo on it: https://flic.kr/p/851oLy

This pic (not mine) shows 158871 at Newport whilst working with Alphaline Wessex: https://flic.kr/p/oKQszJ

Interestingly, it looks like 871's been with Northern before. This pic (again, not mine) shows it at Huddersfield in 2008 with a small Northern logo under the first window behind the door: https://flic.kr/p/N2bUu8

fgwrich · 3 Jan 2018

ScottDarg said:
Both look to be ex-Alphaline Wessex Trains.

Below is what I can find from a search on Flickr:

This pic (not mine) of 158870 shows it at Cardiff in 2004 with Alphaline: https://flic.kr/p/VBmsVR
This pic (not mine) shows it in 2010 at Haymarket wearing the Alphaline livery with ScotRail logo on it: https://flic.kr/p/851oLy

This pic (not mine) shows 158871 at Newport whilst working with Alphaline Wessex: https://flic.kr/p/oKQszJ

Interestingly, it looks like 871's been with Northern before. This pic (again, not mine) shows it at Huddersfield in 2008 with a small Northern logo under the first window behind the door: https://flic.kr/p/N2bUu8

These two are part of the so called Haymarket 8 batch, all of which were originally destined for Northern Rail from the start. After FGW Had finished with most of the Angel Trains leased units back in 2006 (& the DfT led rolling stock reduction started) most of these units ended up in storage in Eastleigh Works. They were then leased by Northern Rail but, ended up being subleased to First ScotRail who were at the time having a rolling stock shortage - IIRC They ended up arriving in the same year as the Fife Circle loco hauled diagram started as well. They ended up being on sublease until only a few years ago where they ended up remaining as part of the ScotRail fleet (and receiving the SpotRail livery at the same time). A Handful of them did however end up being repainted by Northern Rail into unbranded Northern purple by Neville Hill depot - one of those being very well travelled ex Central Trains / South West Trains 158879. (Not my pic)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-...Edi-dHRXpk-bAkBXk-8d6hdd-bnqJ6j-7o5nmg-bzbV74

Of note, they've had some alterations during their time with ScotRail - Miniature Snowploughs, Unbranded Northern / ScotRail livery, headlights changed and the bizarre re-seating scheme which saw the ex SWT units gain ex ATW Seats.

Highlandspring · 3 Jan 2018

Known universally within ScotRail as the "silver bullets". And good riddance!

ScottDarg · 3 Jan 2018

fgwrich said:
These two are part of the so called Haymarket 8 batch, all of which were originally destined for Northern Rail from the start. After FGW Had finished with most of the Angel Trains leased units back in 2006 (& the DfT led rolling stock reduction started) most of these units ended up in storage in Eastleigh Works. They were then leased by Northern Rail but, ended up being subleased to First ScotRail who were at the time having a rolling stock shortage - IIRC They ended up arriving in the same year as the Fife Circle loco hauled diagram started as well. They ended up being on sublease until only a few years ago where they ended up remaining as part of the ScotRail fleet (and receiving the SpotRail livery at the same time). A Handful of them did however end up being repainted by Northern Rail into unbranded Northern purple by Neville Hill depot - one of those being very well travelled ex Central Trains / South West Trains 158879. (Not my pic)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-...Edi-dHRXpk-bAkBXk-8d6hdd-bnqJ6j-7o5nmg-bzbV74

Of note, they've had some alterations during their time with ScotRail - Miniature Snowploughs, Unbranded Northern / ScotRail livery, headlights changed and the bizarre re-seating scheme which saw the ex SWT units gain ex ATW Seats.

Thanks for the info

jamieintercity · 4 Jan 2018

ScottDarg said:
Reported elsewhere that it's 158870/871.

Deviating from 158s; a 318 is on it's way back North from Doncaster with another apparently due South tonight.

Looks like 158870/871 have finally left scotrail this morning. Wonder when the next units are due off lease to northern

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