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I think I agree with maniacmartin. If I see a large group of people and I know my train is there, that’s worse. I know it’s there, I can’t see if there’s still more getting off, if it’s about to leave, if the doors are closing, if the yellow door lights are on. All that, so I’ll just speed up to get there to check it out. Of course, if my train is at xx:23 and it’s still xx:20, I’m gonna stroll. But if there is delays then all those timings go out the window
 
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It should be... it could be that you have experienced it when the visual status of the train as "on time" has not yet updated to the small delay which it actually has, and therefore the train has not yet actually reached the platform.

If there's anything else, I am quite sure it will get a fault report done in due course!
Sorry, I spend a large amount of time standing on the concourse most days, I am very much positive that they do not do what you mention any more. There was a period about 2 years ago or so when it was tested, but it was stopped for reasons I don’t know.
 

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As above, you're not meant to be able to see anything in the platforms. If you think a train is in situ but you can't see it on the departure boards, and run down the ramps thinking you can make it, you're rather likely to miss the service anyway. Whether or not there is a window makes little difference to the realistic outcome, but it is designed to prevent people seeing some random train in the platform and thinking they can make it.

Yes, true - but that doesn't change the fact that I have seen a lot more people running in the past couple of years than I did before the view was blanked off.
 

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Case in point today. Trains unable to run south through pl 3. All southbound trains onto pl 2 & some northbound trains onto pl 3 (rare). Display boards not showing this until last minute & masses of people still running down the ramps. A significant number of passengers become accustomed to the regular platforms that any alteration creates chaos.
Lots of minor collisions at the bottom of the ramps as people alighting try to avoid people crashing into them at the bottom of the ramps!
 

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Sorry, I spend a large amount of time standing on the concourse most days, I am very much positive that they do not do what you mention any more. There was a period about 2 years ago or so when it was tested, but it was stopped for reasons I don’t know.

Sorry, but I happened to work on this bit of railway, and I reckon I spend rather longer at the station than you do. The concourse board information does not necessarily catch up with delays, which means the train will still show on the board at its expected departure time, marked with "On time" beside it. But almost every time I have seen a train still displayed on the boards at its scheduled departure time, I have headed in quite a leisurely way to the platforms, and found it to be slightly delayed and only just arriving. If it doesn't do that, this is, as I say, a technical fault.

An example is the xx48 evening departures towards the South Coast via Horsham. For historic pathing reasons, these trains often lose at least a couple of minutes around East Croydon. Often the departure boards will show they are On time at xx48, and yet they are still back at Windmill Bridge Junction, having been on time when they arrived at the previous point at which the system tracks them (Selhurst Station). You can walk down the ramp quite comfortably and see the train pull in as you get to the bottom. Admittedly you then have to fight a bit of a surge of people leaving the front of the train, but it's no worse than the usual peak scrum, plus you are in full view of the dispatcher by the dispatch equipment box.

Obviously all station CIS has to remove trains from the boards at some point, but the timing varies per the size of the station. There is absolutely no point in displaying trains on the East Croydon concourse which have already arrived, as people will be likely to miss them even if they run.
 

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If Liverpool Street/ Shoreditch ever got a direct tube connection with London Bridge then that proportion might increase, but I'd be absolutely unsurprised to find that were true. The eastern side of the bridge has always attracted the majority of that footfall, probably because so many emanate from Bishopsgate/ Fenchurch Street direction.
More likely because it is so much easier to cross between the West and East side of the bridge at the Northern end.
 

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Sorry, but I happened to work on this bit of railway, and I reckon I spend rather longer at the station than you do. The concourse board information does not necessarily catch up with delays, which means the train will still show on the board at its expected departure time, marked with "On time" beside it. But almost every time I have seen a train still displayed on the boards at its scheduled departure time, I have headed in quite a leisurely way to the platforms, and found it to be slightly delayed and only just arriving. If it doesn't do that, this is, as I say, a technical fault

I actually work at the station.
 

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Used East Croydon again today - I definitely think the ramps and staircases would benefit from "keep left" signage.

I think the staircases on the super-slippery footbridge do have that already, but yes - it would be very useful on the ramps as well.
 

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Used East Croydon again today - I definitely think the ramps and staircases would benefit from "keep left" signage.

From experience, the ramps would also benefit from “put your ****** phone in your pocket and concentrate on where you are going”. The number of dawdlers who amble leisurely along, eyes glued to their device’s screen, oblivious to the fact they are holding others up, is seriously infuriating.
 

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From experience, the ramps would also benefit from “put your ****** phone in your pocket and concentrate on where you are going”. The number of dawdlers who amble leisurely along, eyes glued to their device’s screen, oblivious to the fact they are holding others up, is seriously infuriating.

You can add people reading books to that list. I see many people reading a book whilst walking, without the single care in the world that they might be slowing down a large group of people behind them.
 

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One thing that would help that would be an "up" side and a "down" side with a central railing. Some people would ignore it, but it would at least make it possible to get to the platforms while an arrival is taking place.

It's universally ignored at West Ham, where there is a dominant interchange flow from/to the SSL island platform in the morning/evening, accessed via a single staircase.
 

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It's universally ignored at West Ham, where there is a dominant interchange flow from/to the SSL island platform in the morning/evening, accessed via a single staircase.

Yet it works (ish) at MKC...certainly makes enough difference that it is possible to get down to the platforms while a train is emptying out, which previously it wasn't.

We are a different type of civilised on the south WCML, aren't we? :D
 

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Yet it works (ish) at MKC...certainly makes enough difference that it is possible to get down to the platforms while a train is emptying out, which previously it wasn't.

We are a different type of civilised on the south WCML, aren't we? :D
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's also completely ignored at Northampton. :P
 

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Keeping to the left may be logical - roads use this in UK - but it may be counterintuitive to London area commuters where they are familiar to LU policy of keep right at any number of their 270 stations?
 

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Keeping to the left may be logical - roads use this in UK - but it may be counterintuitive to London area commuters where they are familiar to LU policy of keep right at any number of their 270 stations?

LU policy is to keep left, not right, when walking in tunnels. You stand on the right on escalators.
 

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There are actually a couple of LU stations where the signs are 'keep right' because it works better for that particular location
 

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The East Croydon lighting is not specifically an anti-suicide measure but may end up helping prevent such incidents. It’s mainly to do with marking out the platform edge as a warning to people running down the ramp. The level of passenger accidents on the ramps at East Croydon is a very troubling issue which has had a lot of resources thrown at it without many results.

Gatwick’s blue lights are, however, an anti-suicide scheme. It seems to have really worked, which is fantastic.
It's odd to me that East Croydon has not been given anti-suicide lights and Gatwick has, because my perception over the last several years is that far more 'one-unders' have occurred at EC. I still find it odd, too, that EC has not been given tactile platform edging on platforms 3-6 when they were re-surfaced. Finally, the footbridge is nothing less than a disgrace - how the flooring passed building material standards is a mystery, especially with the bizarre open sides and high ceiling to allow as much rain in as possible!
 
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