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TOPS Requests (including headcodes, allocations, traction, etc) [Instructions in Post 2]

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PHILIPE

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A couple of questions: I have access to TRUST but don't know how to search for the diagram of a specific unit. Does anyone know what you do/type please?

Also I notice sometimes the same train appears on the same service (and thus diagram) two days in a row, why does this happen? I thought units worked diagrams on a rotation basis?

They work round on paper so as to make the plan robust. Units are allocated for the day during the night and can virtually start from scratch in a cycle on a Depot. They are carefully allocated depending on factors such as fuelling requirements and when due exams or have to get one to a particular location at the end of it's days work for any reason.
 
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Can anyone tell us what two 86s was on this today please

09.32 felixstowe north flt - crewe basford hall ssn
 

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Any TRUST geeks out there know how I can use it to find the location or working of a DMU or HST/engine etc..

Thanks in advance.
 

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Anyone know what 742S was passing Bedford station around 12:30 it had a new Elizabeth Line train on it, I was in the shower as it passed and didn’t catch the traction towing or the EL train due to no glasses.

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Anyone know what 742S was passing Bedford station around 12:30 it had a new Elizabeth Line train on it, I was in the shower as it passed and didn’t catch the traction towing or the EL train due to no glasses.

Cheers.
It was 345017 being towed by 66065
 

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Hi, could someone checked which units ran these 3 services today (Weds 6th December) Many thanks in advance
2H47 1449 GER-MYB
2S08 0906 SKG-NOT
2C56 1829 LDS-YRK
 

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Hi, could someone checked which units ran these 3 services today (Weds 6th December) Many thanks in advance
2H47 1449 GER-MYB
2S08 0906 SKG-NOT
2C56 1829 LDS-YRK
2H47 - 168326
2S08 - 156401
2C56 - 150269/150223
 

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Further to 37078's reply above, the headcode for that movement was 7X20 - 742S is just a meaningless,
'scrambled' code allocated by the Network Rail datafeeds in place of the real headcode and shouldn't be
used when requesting information in this thread, as per the instructions in post #2:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...tc-instructions-in-post-2.86602/#post-1503625


MARK
Do the instructions need updating then, because quite a few folk on here if just using RTT etc. will only have the scrambled code and won't have access to the 'real' one? Likewise, on one of the data sources I use (and I believe other folk use) you can also search using the scrambled one and it's often a good way of finding the service (indeed sometimes it'll appear under the scrambled one, but not the real one).

I think as long as people know they're not the "real" headcodes and that the real one is preferable if they have it - as it may help the loco IDs be found more readily. Otherwise, I believe the more info that can be provided the better in terms of helping others locate the service/ID (i.e. a scrambled headcode is better than no headcode at all).

As an example I was able to find the loco/unit IDs for the working @Cundy66 saw using both 742S and 7X20 - with the "742S" quoted in the post it was a 5 second job; without it would've taken longer and required some detective work to find the train that was being referred to.

Maybe one for @bb21 to look at as moderator/author of the original instructions...?
 
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Can anyone help with these today please

09.03 bristol freightliner terminal- felixstowe north flt

11.12 gas factory loop - cambridge reception roads

05.01 trafford park flt - felixstowe north flt

10.54 chelmsford recp - acton tc
 

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See below:

Can anyone help with these today please

09.03 bristol freightliner terminal- felixstowe north flt 66548 on 4L31

11.12 gas factory loop - cambridge reception roads 37175 + 37254 on 1Q97

05.01 trafford park flt - felixstowe north flt 70015 (to Crewe) + 66551 (Crewe-Ipswich) on 4L97

10.54 chelmsford recp - acton tc 66041 on 6V12
 

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Hi
Could anyone be kind enough to help me out with the following please
194G 1229 Crewe C S TO Derby RTC
436H 1232Crewe Bas Hall S S M to Felixstowe South F L T
480G 0912 Felixstowe North F L T to Ditton (Oconnor) Fliner
4M29 1029 Felixstowe North Gbrf to Birch Coppice Gbrf
497H 1300 Southampton M C T to Trafford Park F L T
4321 1548 Lawley Street F L T to Sothampton M C T
484H 1403 Ditton ( Oconnor) Fliner to Felixstowe North F L T
Sorry it's a long list
Many thanks for taking the time
 

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See below and you're welcome :)
Just one I don't have and one not 100% sure on - others may be able to confirm.

Hi
Could anyone be kind enough to help me out with the following please

194G 1229 Crewe C S TO Derby RTC 67023 on 1Q27 (note 67002 (ex-Arriva blue) has been paired with Colas 67023 these last couple of days and was on the previous test train that arrived into Crewe c.30 mins before this one left. TOPS was just showing 67023 for this train, so not sure if 67002 was taken off, or it was on and just not reported? If you saw the train I expect you'll know whether there was a blue 67 on it or not though...!)

436H 1232Crewe Bas Hall S S M to Felixstowe South F L T 66566 on 4L90

480G 0912 Felixstowe North F L T to Ditton (Oconnor) Fliner 66501 on 4M63

4M29 1029 Felixstowe North Gbrf to Birch Coppice GBRf 66706

497H 1300 Southampton M C T to Trafford Park F L T 66565 on 4M61

4321 1548 Lawley Street F L T to Sothampton M C T Real headcode 4O17 - I've not got an ID on this, however TOPS earlier was showing 70004 as lined up for this.

484H 1403 Ditton ( Oconnor) Fliner to Felixstowe North F L T Real headcode 4L92 - sorry, don't have an ID.

Sorry it's a long list
Many thanks for taking the time
 

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Do the instructions need updating then, because quite a few folk on here if just using RTT etc. will only have the scrambled code and won't have access to the 'real' one? Likewise, on one of the data sources I use (and I believe other folk use) you can also search using the scrambled one and it's often a good way of finding the service (indeed sometimes it'll appear under the scrambled one, but not the real one).

I think as long as people know they're not the "real" headcodes and that the real one is preferable if they have it - as it may help the loco IDs be found more readily. Otherwise, I believe the more info that can be provided the better in terms of helping others locate the service/ID (i.e. a scrambled headcode is better than no headcode at all).

As an example I was able to find the loco/unit IDs for the working @Cundy66 saw using both 742S and 7X20 - with the "742S" quoted in the post it was a 5 second job; without it would've taken longer and required some detective work to find the train that was being referred to.

Maybe one for @bb21 to look at as moderator/author of the original instructions...?

I believe you to be correct, Timbo. Of course, it would be ideal if someone asked what was working 6J83 from Camborne today, but if they only have the RTT scrambled code of 694Q why should they be denied a response if someone here knows the answer?

As it was a tamper, DR75406, access to a TOPs list won’t help and the freight loco lists referred to only serve to continue the knowledge is power homily anyway!!!

The aspect of the site you refer to didn’t exist when the ‘rules’ for this thread were established over four years ago; more Yahoo/Google rail groups have also proliferated over that time, not all members using real headcodes either. Ironically, I input the data you saw as 7X20.

If a question is presented in an impolite way, it’ll be ignored. Otherwise, if I know an answer I don’t really concern myself how its content is phrased. Just like real life really.
 

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Many Thanks TimboM
No problem.
Looking at other loco movements earlier in the day I think that last one (4L92 1403 Ditton ( Oconnor) Fliner to Felixstowe North F L T) may be 70010 - not 100% sure though. If it was a 70 there's a good chance it was that.
 

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Ironically, I input the data you saw as 7X20.
Ah - so without you putting it in, I would only have been able to find it (easily/quickly) using the scrambled headcode... ;)

If a question is presented in an impolite way, it’ll be ignored. Otherwise, if I know an answer I don’t really concern myself how its content is phrased. Just like real life really.

Agreed - this is the key (only?) instruction for me too really - ask politely and give as much info as you can and kind folk will try and find the locos etc. The more blunt / less info in the request, the less likely a response.
 

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No problem.
Looking at other loco movements earlier in the day I think that last one (4L92 1403 Ditton ( Oconnor) Fliner to Felixstowe North F L T) may be 70010 - not 100% sure though. If it was a 70 there's a good chance it was that.
@tucker - scrap that, seen an updated list now - 70017 is the 4L92 loco (as far as Ipswich at least).

...and TOPS has now decided 67002 is indeed on 1Q27 with 67023!
 

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I believe the more info that can be provided the better in terms of helping others locate the service/ID (i.e. a scrambled headcode is better than no headcode at all).
A good point, well made!:smile:

...I think as long as people know they're not the "real" headcodes and that the real one is preferable...
That's my big worry - that some posters on this sticky (and enthusiasts in general) see these
'RTT headcodes' quoted so often they understandably start to believe that they are the real thing,
especially if they are new to the hobby - for example, I have seen numerous YouTube captions proudly
quoting scrambled freight codes as if they are the trains' proper headcodes.

Most worryingly, even when yourself or Chris go to the trouble of providing real headcodes for trains,
the poster will often ask for the same train(s) a day or two later, still using a scrambled headcode!o_O


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A good point, well made!:smile:

That's my big worry - that some posters on this sticky (and enthusiasts in general) see these
'RTT headcodes' quoted so often they understandably start to believe that they are the real thing,
especially if they are new to the hobby - for example, I have seen numerous YouTube captions proudly
quoting scrambled freight codes as if they are the trains' proper headcodes.

Most worryingly, even when yourself or Chris go to the trouble of providing real headcodes for trains,
the poster will often ask for the same train(s) a day or two later, still using a scrambled headcode!o_O
MARK

We may all like people to actually realise that the 12:46 from Carlisle NY - Crewe BH is 6K05 every day, whatever it's scrambled headcode.

It's no more enforceable than the law about the middle-lane hogger on her/his mobile on the M6 - they will still sit there with people driving past either side of them beeping and giving them the finger, as I pointlessly do.
 
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I need three of the Grand Central HST power cars for a photo and it would be nice to try to get them while they are still in Grand Central livery... so please could someone post these for tomorrow 7th December once they become known in a couple of hours time?

43467
43480
43484

Thank you. :smile:
 

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Morning all, if anyone can check the the whereabouts of the following from 0900 I would appreciate it.

91115
43484
142017
142020
142066
142071
142092


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It was 345017 being towed by 66065

Thank you for your response it is greatly appreciated.

Further to 37078's reply above, the headcode for that movement was 7X20 - 742S is just a meaningless,
'scrambled' code allocated by the Network Rail datafeeds in place of the real headcode and shouldn't be
used when requesting information in this thread, as per the instructions in post #2:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...tc-instructions-in-post-2.86602/#post-1503625


MARK

Apologies for that I will include more information and do you know if there is any published headcodes as well online?
 
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