Halish Railway
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Does anyone know a source to information on the progress of the Class 195/331?
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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates
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Bletchleyite
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First thing I’ve actually seen that suits that livery...
Philip
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I wonder what contingency plans Northern have in place should the new trains suffer reliability problems like the 175s did when they came on the scene? With First NW, it led to 37-hauled trains along the coast lasting a little longer than originally planned (and later on 47-hauled trains substituting for 175s on 'The Irish Mancunian' diagram) and likewise the 101s on Sheffield line services.
Will Northern be allowed to keep the 142s on their books for another year or so if availability of the new trains is low by 2020?
Will Northern be allowed to keep the 142s on their books for another year or so if availability of the new trains is low by 2020?
Halish Railway
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They will probably split 4 car sprinters into 2 car sprinters.
lammergeier
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I love that gigantic windscreen, as long as there isn't excessive amounts of moulded plastic in the cab the visibility out of the front will be amazing
Nymanic
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A very good spot, thanks for sharing.
Reassuringly large windows... and it almost looks like full-width gangways, although hard to tell.
Has there been any indication of car width? It would've been sensible to try and build them as wide as 323s/333s (subject to gauging), to allow for extra standing space or even conversion to 3+2 if needed later in life.
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Saw some new images of them today. Noticed the name will be “Northern by Arriva” similarly to chiltern
LNW-GW Joint
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That's what's on Northern's refurbished existing trains.
J-2739
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LOL The Irony
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Here are images from Northern's twitter
https://twitter.com/northernassist/status/938776343361282048
https://twitter.com/northernassist/status/938776343361282048
Philip
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Is it a 195 or a 331?
LOL The Irony
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I belive it's a 195
I've already shared this link in post 277.
LOL The Irony
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I obviously didn't look hard enough to see if it had already been posted
simon7929
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Any pics of the door controls. Fascinated to know if they are in the drivers cab or located outside?
Bletchleyite
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Looks quite an attractive modern unit and the livery actually suits it (unlike older units), but it's a shame they are yet another class of unit that has a "tilt profile"[1] which will make it feel more cramped than necessary.
[1] I know it's about sway, not tilt, but nonetheless the Class 700 feels *massive* because the sides are completely vertical.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the lack of a window band!
Bletchleyite
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Oddly, they actually seem to look vaguely decent without (now there's something). I think it's because the windows are wide and the pillars narrow (which is itself a very good thing).
They seem more than passingly like a Turbo- or Electrostar in that (and the "tilt profile") regard.
Interesting that the doors seem to be actually at thirds like 150s etc, rather than the more normal 1/4 and 3/4 ish you seem to get on 23/24m units these days.
Allwinter_Kit
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That said, @Camerons_Gaming on Twitter (in discussion with Sam Jessup of Virgin) did mock it up with the windowband...
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dp21
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Yeh they do. I've seen a model in Northern's HQ and it has really long gangways.
I think it suffers from a similar syndrome to the 170s for example. Longer carriage lengths require larger gaps between coaches where clearance is limited.
Where you have a nice, relatively straight, piece of mainline you can achieve longer coaches with shorter gangways.
Another example would be if you compare the 455s and 317s. Much the same length coach but the gangways are longer on the former due to the more restrictive loading gauge.
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Whilst it looks nice anyway, a window band definitely makes it look a lot more sleek
samuelmorris
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Agreed
They aren't though - there is a slight profile change through the body. A bit like 350/450, its very difficult to perceive it.
dubscottie
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The gangway is that size as it is not compressed. Most sealed gangway connections look like that uncoupled.
Also OT but the inter vehicle gangways on 313-322, 455/6 & 507/8 are identical. There is no difference in length etc
Also OT but the inter vehicle gangways on 313-322, 455/6 & 507/8 are identical. There is no difference in length etc
Pete_uk
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So these are replacing the pacers??
If so , what a step up!
If so , what a step up!
Halish Railway
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It looks like a 333 from the body shape, obviously because they are both built by CAF. If these new units are like the 333's, they should be excellent.
Halish Railway
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Also, there's door mounted buttons. Does anyone think that they look like doors off a Networker?
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