WMTrains livery and station branding

XCTurbostar · 11 Dec 2017

samuelmorris said:
Generally speaking I'm a fan of losing the yellow ends from an aesthetic point of view, I think the proposed TPE liveries look stunning, but sorry, I really don't like that livery on the 172. Are there any photos of a reliveried 350 in the flesh (as opposed to the concept render) yet?

Yep. https://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/940171134992912384

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samuelmorris · 11 Dec 2017

Thanks - that one's not so bad actually. It'll still be a shame to see the LM livery go...

GatwickDepress · 11 Dec 2017

I actually rather like the West Midlands livery. The logo and choice of typeface gives it a rather dignified look.

Take out the purple and you have a prototype livery for London Overground though.

DanNCL · 11 Dec 2017

samuelmorris said:
Generally speaking I'm a fan of losing the yellow ends from an aesthetic point of view, I think the proposed TPE liveries look stunning, but sorry, I really don't like that livery on the 172. Are there any photos of a reliveried 350 in the flesh (as opposed to the concept render) yet?

Modern Railways have published one on their twitter page https://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/940171134992912384

JordyWM · 11 Dec 2017

trash80 said:
A number of stations have recently been repainted with the green and black replaced a couple of orangey shades.View attachment 40361

Now that looks hideous. Why didn’t they just stick to a neutral colour with coloured accents? It’s gone from smart to tacky from that perspective.

SpacePhoenix · 11 Dec 2017

Could they have got away with not having any yellow at the front at all?

RPM · 11 Dec 2017

JordyWM said:
Now that looks hideous. Why didn’t they just stick to a neutral colour with coloured accents? It’s gone from smart to tacky from that perspective.

Looks like GWR light & dark stone to me.

MG11 · 11 Dec 2017

pdeaves said:
I don't know about stock allocations (but one part can easily 'hire' a unit to the other part, just as other TOCs loan units). The diagrams at https://www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/network-map indicate the name each service runs under.

Ahhh that could be useful, thanks for sharing.

sprinterguy · 11 Dec 2017

RPM said:
Looks like GWR light & dark stone to me.

Yeah, as far as I was aware there've been stations painted in this traditional style around the West Midlands local rail network - primarily on the Snow Hill lines outside of the PTE area is the impression I get - for ages now.

The repaint at Snow Hill uses the corporate style of purple, orange and white.

Bletchleyite · 11 Dec 2017

trash80 said:
A number of stations have recently been repainted with the green and black replaced a couple of orangey shades.View attachment 40361

That's the "fake old fashioned GWR style" that is already used in parts of the West Midlands and further afield (e.g. Hanwell and Elsthorne, as well as Stratford-upon-Avon). I personally think it looks rubbish, but doubt it will be the standard.

If I was them I'd keep the LM black but overpaint the green with either orange or purple for WMR or the sort-of-mint-green for LNR, and vinyl over the signs in the new font style.

JordyWM · 11 Dec 2017

Bletchleyite said:
If I was them I'd keep the LM black but overpaint the green with either orange or purple for WMR or the sort-of-mint-green for LNR, and vinyl over the signs in the new font style.

Have to agree, and would make the dual branding of WMR and LNR look smarter. Black would much easier tie the both brands togethe with the chosen accent colour of the particular service.

lammergeier · 11 Dec 2017

DanNCL said:
Modern Railways have published one on their twitter page https://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/940171134992912384

I actually quite like that matt green effect on the front, looks a lot better than in the renders.

JaJaWa · 11 Dec 2017

JordyWM said:
Have to agree, and would make the dual branding of WMR and LNR look smarter. Black would much easier tie the both brands togethe with the chosen accent colour of the particular service.

But the West Midlands Railway style will be used across all TfWM transport modes in Birmingham. The black and green should really stay as-is on LNR.

Bletchleyite · 11 Dec 2017

JaJaWa said:
But the West Midlands Railway style will be used across all TfWM transport modes in Birmingham. The black and green should really stay as-is on LNR.

It's a different green, so they should probably go over it with the new green, but in principle otherwise yes.

centraltrains · 11 Dec 2017

I'm still shocked we're losing green as the West Midlands colour. All West Midlands trains have had green on them for ages.

59CosG95 · 11 Dec 2017

centraltrains said:
I'm still shocked we're losing green as the West Midlands colour. All West Midlands trains have had green on them for ages.

On the bright side, the confusion between green trains on the Worcester-Hereford route is soon to end! I do wonder how many people will be thrown by what's basically been an exchange of Green and Purple between the West Midlands & Greater Western franchises...

JordyWM · 11 Dec 2017

centraltrains said:
I'm still shocked we're losing green as the West Midlands colour. All West Midlands trains have had green on them for ages.

Same, green always says to me trains West Midlands. Purple and orange doesn’t represent the West Midlands to me.

Then again, I’d like to have the Central Trains name back myself.

D365 · 11 Dec 2017

SpacePhoenix said:
Could they have got away with not having any yellow at the front at all?

What do you mean by "got away"? Are you suggesting that they should be breaching regulatory policy?

Bletchleyite · 11 Dec 2017

D365 said:
What do you mean by "got away"? Are you suggesting that they should be breaching regulatory policy?

The headlights are so bright on Desiros that I reckon a mod to allow the yellow to be removed would not be expensive.

DenmarkRail · 11 Dec 2017

D365 said:
What do you mean by "got away"? Are you suggesting that they should be breaching regulatory policy?

Don't think yellow ends should be an issue anymore... Look at virtually every EU nation, which has NEVER had them, and have NEVER had light regulations. Britain needs to catch up to Europe.

TT-ONR-NRN · 11 Dec 2017

350373 updated on the list. Any other confirmed units?

Domh245 · 11 Dec 2017

George Moore said:
Don't think yellow ends should be an issue anymore... Look at virtually every EU nation, which has NEVER had them, and have NEVER had light regulations. Britain needs to catch up to Europe.

We have "caught up to Europe", the latest requirements are aligned with those of the rest of the EU (which have as far as I'm aware had light regulations for a while...), so any train currently being built could be painted without a yellow front.

Domh245 · 11 Dec 2017

TT-ONR-NRN said:
350373 updated on the list. Any other confirmed units?

172339, which is now in WMR livery. As a suggestion (just because I think it'd be interesting) - why not also note the date on which stock was repainted in that master list in the first post? Could be a useful resource for someone in the future?

ForTheLoveOf · 11 Dec 2017

I can confirm that I have been on or seen the following 323s and 350s that have been debranded externally/internally (LM logos taped up) though can't give dates more exact than 'within the last week':

Class 323s
323 240 exterior
323 241 exterior interior
323 207 interior
323 201 exterior interior
323 242 exterior interior
323 221 exterior
323 216 exterior interior
323 220 exterior
323 205 exterior interior

Class 350s
350 119 exterior interior

TT-ONR-NRN · 11 Dec 2017

Thank you. I believe all have been debranded (though I may be wrong)

DJames · 11 Dec 2017

While I don't mind the front that much, I do think it looks a lot better with some black on there.

(Original image from Tony over at wmbusphotos)

sd0733 · 11 Dec 2017

TT-ONR-NRN said:
Thank you. I believe all have been debranded (though I may be wrong)

No, there are loads of 350s still running round with London midland branding, internal branding and announcements

TT-ONR-NRN · 11 Dec 2017

sd0733 said:
No, there are loads of 350s still running round with London midland branding, internal branding and announcements

Oh ok!

Skimble19 · 11 Dec 2017

My biggest issue with the liveries is why have they left the yellow bit above the windscreen on the 172? Only the gangway is yellow on the 350 and it looks better than having a random bit yellow at the top.

DasLunatic · 11 Dec 2017

Skimble19 said:
My biggest issue with the liveries is why have they left the yellow bit above the windscreen on the 172? Only the gangway is yellow on the 350 and it looks better than having a random bit yellow at the top.

...which is why I've just knocked this up - original image is @sprinterguy 's.

I've swapped the positions of the yellow and purple at the front, and I think it looks much, much better than what's actually gracing the lines. I'll attempt to add yellow to the 350 in a bit...

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