Oh my jebus !
Isn't the GSMR/PA function a requirement of DOO ? Even CSR was linked to the PA. 3.6 should be a National roll out. I'm stunned that any unit out here isn't linked.
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Stop the train i want to get off!
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Oh my jebus !
Isn't the GSMR/PA function a requirement of DOO ? Even CSR was linked to the PA. 3.6 should be a National roll out. I'm stunned that any unit out here isn't linked.
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Not in the slightest. Unless there is a fault.
Report it to the Driver, that is a fault.
The recorded announcements use a different system. One is played directly using a .wav file and the the other uses a mic. Different equipment, different faults.
This is an issue with DOO. No Driver in the cab = no PA.
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It wouldn't have achieved much, other than perhaps a better explanation that what had been forthcoming up to that point. The Driver would simply have overridden it.
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This whole thread reminds me of a bizarre incident in 2009, involving a manager at the place I worked at then. My place of employment was in Glenrothes, and I was sent to Glenrothes with Thornton station, to pick him up from a train, which had came from Dunfermline Queen Margaret.
I had got there, to find the train had gone, but my manager wasn't there. He phoned me to tell me, he had been unable to get off the train, and had to carry on to the next station, Kirkcaldy, before getting a train back to Glenrothes with Thornton. What happened was, on the journey from Queen Margaret, when the train got to Glenrothes with Thornton, none of the doors would open, then the guard buzzed the driver to leave.
My manager did complain, and he showed me their reply, which had to be read to be believed. They basically said that, as few people leave the train in the morning (this was about 10am) at Glenrothes with Thornton, and as there was nobody wanting to board, the guard simply decided not to open the doors, and buzzed the train to leave. They also said to my manager that he should've informed the guard as they reached the station that he wanted off, as the guard didn't know anyone did.
Given the fact my manager bought a ticket from the guard four stops beforehand, that last point amazed me.
I had got there, to find the train had gone, but my manager wasn't there. He phoned me to tell me, he had been unable to get off the train, and had to carry on to the next station, Kirkcaldy, before getting a train back to Glenrothes with Thornton. What happened was, on the journey from Queen Margaret, when the train got to Glenrothes with Thornton, none of the doors would open, then the guard buzzed the driver to leave.
My manager did complain, and he showed me their reply, which had to be read to be believed. They basically said that, as few people leave the train in the morning (this was about 10am) at Glenrothes with Thornton, and as there was nobody wanting to board, the guard simply decided not to open the doors, and buzzed the train to leave. They also said to my manager that he should've informed the guard as they reached the station that he wanted off, as the guard didn't know anyone did.
Given the fact my manager bought a ticket from the guard four stops beforehand, that last point amazed me.
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So it was a request stop, in other words??
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Did once have a similar incident on a 314 working a local service near Glasgow. Stopped at an intermediate station, a few of us waiting to get off but doors weren’t opened and train started off again. Cue the conductor storming off to remonstrate with the driver who apparently said he hadn’t noticed they hadn’t opened and as it wasn’t a busy station he thought nothing about the fact no one got off.
We all got taken on to the next stop and told to head over to the other platform where about 10 minutes later we were taken back to where we wanted to be.
I seem to remember that there were numerous door related problems on 314s back then which required a series of modifications, including one incident when the driver of one I was on managed to get the doors on both sides to open simultaneously!
We all got taken on to the next stop and told to head over to the other platform where about 10 minutes later we were taken back to where we wanted to be.
I seem to remember that there were numerous door related problems on 314s back then which required a series of modifications, including one incident when the driver of one I was on managed to get the doors on both sides to open simultaneously!
Even if it was the guard clearly screwed up. After all he had a fairly big clue when selling the ticket. Or should the passenger have said "I want a ticket, oh and I also want to get off the train"?
robertclark125
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Nope. Never has been. But, the guard decided that as no one wanted on, there was no need to open the doors to let anyone off. It's a standard stop, not a request stop/
Not saying what happened was okay, but people make mistakes.
Perhaps DOO would have solved this problem...
Somebody might then have used the emergency door release which the driver couldn't have overridden.
I've never seen that happen anywhere before, surely it's mandatory to release the doors even if it is unlikely that anybody would alight?
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Depending on stock, it may be possible for the driver to override an egress using the same pedal as the passcom override.
I witnessed a similar event on Scotrail a few weeks ago. I was standing on Aberdeen station, waiting to join a late-running Inverness -> Edinburgh service. There were repeated announcements on the platform that because it was late, it would run fast from Aberdeen to (I think) Dundee - missing out Stonehaven and a couple of other stops.
We boarded the train, and there was a change of crew. We set off, and the guard made an announcement about the calling points of the service, and there were objections from a number of those who had been on from before Aberdeen - they insisted that the previous guard had made no announcements at all.
In the end the new guard got permission to stop at Stonehaven (as originally timetabled) to let off the people who didn't want to go as far as Dundee!
We boarded the train, and there was a change of crew. We set off, and the guard made an announcement about the calling points of the service, and there were objections from a number of those who had been on from before Aberdeen - they insisted that the previous guard had made no announcements at all.
In the end the new guard got permission to stop at Stonehaven (as originally timetabled) to let off the people who didn't want to go as far as Dundee!
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He would likely have sold quite a few tickets, it's possible to forget things from time to time of course! But apparently it wasn't a request stop anyhow, so it isn't relevant here!
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Very odd behaviour!
I was on a Southeastern 465 a few years ago that came to a sudden stop near Erith. Driver came down the train and said somebody had used the emergency door release. About ten minutes later we were on the move again.
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465s are one of the older types (along with 319s etc.) where the door release will dump the brakes and cannot be overridden.
Electrostars (and I assume Desiros and other modern types) have the facility for the driver to override the egress in order to stop at an appropriate location.
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