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The Series 1 OHLE diagram below is from the Network Rail - A Guide to Overhead Electrification by Alan Baxter. It can be found online as a PDF. The extra wire is labeled as the 'Auto transformer feeder', suspended below an insulator.View attachment 41030
That's a good diagram. But, one notable error is that the earth wire is too high up the mast and far too close to the ATF wire. In reality, it's usually located just under the single-insulated-cantilever, not above it.
 
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Is there anyone out there who has ridden Didcot or Reading to Paddington on a 387 and can tell us what it is like compared to a turbo?

I took a turbo from Reading to Didcot return today (no 387s were running west of Reading this afternoon) and later took a 387 from Reading to Slough and returned on same class.

The 387s have better lighting, acceleration (we were on fast main line between Maidenhead and Slough), charging points and better WiFi. They also have more tables and not those awful trays you get on HSTs. Also with 8 carriage formations, there should be more seating. So much better. My only criticism is the hardness of the seats. Not much padding.
 

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My only criticism is the hardness of the seats. Not much padding
It's good to remember that the seats are pretty new and are designed to last for a long while. They'll get better over time, once more people have sat on them.
 

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That's a good diagram. But, one notable error is that the earth wire is too high up the mast and far too close to the ATF wire. In reality, it's usually located just under the single-insulated-cantilever, not above it.
I was under the impression that the earth wire doesn't usually feature on ATF installations
 

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That's a good diagram. But, one notable error is that the earth wire is too high up the mast and far too close to the ATF wire. In reality, it's usually located just under the single-insulated-cantilever, not above it.
I've now Photoshopped the original NR S1 OHLE diagram.NR-Series-1-OHLE-cross-sect.gif
 

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Is there anyone out there who has ridden Didcot or Reading to Paddington on a 387 and can tell us what it is like compared to a turbo?
I've not managed to go west of Maidenhead on a 387 yet, but the benefits of faster acceleration and less noise are the same. 387s have much faster acceleration than 165/166 DMUs. On leaving Slough they can already be at 90mph before passing Langley. In comparison, a 165/166 manages 80-85 on the longer distance between Maidenhead and Twyford before they have to slow down for the station. And for me the 165s/166s always seem to feel like they're going slower than they actually are.

For noise, the 165/166 units are louder when sat above the engine when compared to sitting over the motors on a 387. The 166s appear to have better sound insulation as their engines always seem quieter inside than 165s (but the same on the outside). Ok the 387s make annoying noises of their own (buzz from the transformer and the loud bangs from the circuit breaker), but most people would probably find that better than the engines running underneath. I also find that 387s seem slightly less insulated from rail noise over points compared to 165/166s.

As a DMU fan (:lol:) I will miss the 165s, 166s and also the 180s, but there is no doubt that for the normal passenger a 387 is a far better travelling environment (both on board and while at the station due to the lack of fumes and noise).
 

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If I recall correctly they are providing a trackside 25kV cable along this section as well as OLE, but I would guess they have to have one or the other working otherwise Parkway is a long way from a feeder. Once wiring is complete to Cardiff they will be able to feed from there too.
Severn Tunnel east portal is about 35 miles from Cardiff with the tunnel already completed. If Cardiff to Severn Tunnel east portal is more advanced than Wootton Bassett-Thingley, feeding from the Cardiff end initially is a possibility?
 

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I've not managed to go west of Maidenhead on a 387 yet, but the benefits of faster acceleration and less noise are the same. 387s have much faster acceleration than 165/166 DMUs. On leaving Slough they can already be at 90mph before passing Langley. In comparison, a 165/166 manages 80-85 on the longer distance between Maidenhead and Twyford before they have to slow down for the station. And for me the 165s/166s always seem to feel like they're going slower than they actually are.

For noise, the 165/166 units are louder when sat above the engine when compared to sitting over the motors on a 387. The 166s appear to have better sound insulation as their engines always seem quieter inside than 165s (but the same on the outside). Ok the 387s make annoying noises of their own (buzz from the transformer and the loud bangs from the circuit breaker), but most people would probably find that better than the engines running underneath. I also find that 387s seem slightly less insulated from rail noise over points compared to 165/166s.

As a DMU fan (:lol:) I will miss the 165s, 166s and also the 180s, but there is no doubt that for the normal passenger a 387 is a far better travelling environment (both on board and while at the station due to the lack of fumes and noise).
I've not managed to go west of Maidenhead on a 387 yet, but the benefits of faster acceleration and less noise are the same. 387s have much faster acceleration than 165/166 DMUs. On leaving Slough they can already be at 90mph before passing Langley. In comparison, a 165/166 manages 80-85 on the longer distance between Maidenhead and Twyford before they have to slow down for the station. And for me the 165s/166s always seem to feel like they're going slower than they actually are.

For noise, the 165/166 units are louder when sat above the engine when compared to sitting over the motors on a 387. The 166s appear to have better sound insulation as their engines always seem quieter inside than 165s (but the same on the outside). Ok the 387s make annoying noises of their own (buzz from the transformer and the loud bangs from the circuit breaker), but most people would probably find that better than the engines running underneath. I also find that 387s seem slightly less insulated from rail noise over points compared to 165/166s.

As a DMU fan (:lol:) I will miss the 165s, 166s and also the 180s, but there is no doubt that for the normal passenger a 387 is a far better travelling environment (both on board and while at the station due to the lack of fumes and noise).
Thank you for your post. I am sorry at the loss of your DMUs.
 

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I've not managed to go west of Maidenhead on a 387 yet, but the benefits of faster acceleration and less noise are the same. 387s have much faster acceleration than 165/166 DMUs. On leaving Slough they can already be at 90mph before passing Langley. In comparison, a 165/166 manages 80-85 on the longer distance between Maidenhead and Twyford before they have to slow down for the station. And for me the 165s/166s always seem to feel like they're going slower than they actually are.

For noise, the 165/166 units are louder when sat above the engine when compared to sitting over the motors on a 387. The 166s appear to have better sound insulation as their engines always seem quieter inside than 165s (but the same on the outside). Ok the 387s make annoying noises of their own (buzz from the transformer and the loud bangs from the circuit breaker), but most people would probably find that better than the engines running underneath. I also find that 387s seem slightly less insulated from rail noise over points compared to 165/166s.

As a DMU fan (:lol:) I will miss the 165s, 166s and also the 180s, but there is no doubt that for the normal passenger a 387 is a far better travelling environment (both on board and while at the station due to the lack of fumes and noise).

It will be interesting how quickly a 387 can do Paddington to Reading non-stop on the fast lines compared with an HST. Does anyone know ?
 

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It will be interesting how quickly a 387 can do Paddington to Reading non-stop on the fast lines compared with an HST. Does anyone know ?

A Hex class 332 has the same timings Padd-Airport junction of 9 mins IIRC, and the 387 will eventually have a 10mph edge on that. It's an interesting question certainly, I would doubt more than could be compensated with a 387 departing immediately after the previous HST.

Certainly the 800s will pose a more interesting 'threat' to the 387s timings as on electric they same to get up to speed a good few miles earlier than an HST.
 

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Rumour has it the 800s are dropping axle counters as they go beyond Maidenhead on the juice.
 

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Broken link I'm afraid


That doesn't work either.

If you use https://twitter.com/networkrail/ you can scroll through the tweets. I had tried to link to the individual tweet but it seems to have been removed. I don't know why.

Rumour has it the 800s are dropping axle counters as they go beyond Maidenhead on the juice.

In what sense are they "dropping axel counters"? Presumably not peppering the line with yellow mushrooms?
 
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The Series 1 OHLE diagram below is from the Network Rail - A Guide to Overhead Electrification by Alan Baxter. It can be found online as a PDF. The extra wire is labeled as the 'Auto transformer feeder', suspended below an insulator.View attachment 41030

<ego>Just a word of warning for anyone citing the Alan Baxter document - it has more holes in it than a swiss cheese. Very misleading in places. For an accurate description of OLE please download my book from here: http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/OLE/
</ego>
 

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That's a good diagram. But, one notable error is that the earth wire is too high up the mast and far too close to the ATF wire. In reality, it's usually located just under the single-insulated-cantilever, not above it.

A very good point. Alan Baxter is in the business of civil engineering, and the document was not written by someone with a good working knowledge of electrification. It would be better for all concerned if the document was withdrawn.
 

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I was under the impression that the earth wire doesn't usually feature on ATF installations

Yes it does. It forms part of the mesh earth return system (UK OLE is earthed as TN-C with no separate neutral).
 

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And we will no doubt love our ex GW pristine condition 150's up north.
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Ps Anyone know when there moving?

Well we may be losing our 150/1s to you (happily), but you are getting brand new DMUs as well, so you win on that point!
Some of them have already left for your part of the world. I think someone mentioned 2 more units leaving in a few weeks. I think Mid February sees lots more Turbos take over from 150s

*Apologies in advance for going off topic*
 

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Is there anyone out there who has ridden Didcot or Reading to Paddington on a 387 and can tell us what it is like compared to a turbo?
It's nothing like a Turbo or any diesel multiple unit in terms of internal noise, vibration or (comparative lack of) acceleration. I would liken the experience at speed to travelling in a Mark 4 coach on the East Coast Main Line, except the seats force you to sit bolt upright when I'd like to slouch a little bit. There's constant automated announcements advising you if you have to be in the front 6 or 7 coaches for the next station stop, as the 387s don't hang about. They do rock about over points which I hadn't noticed before. Overall, it's a very competent electric passenger train under the new OHLE.
 

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I did my Jan 1st ride. Great to have 8-car 387s vice 2-car 165s. They are quick, arriving 2 early at each stop, without the need for long station stops to off load packed trains & while people fight to board full trains. Yippie.

I am sure I can get used to those firm seats.
 

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With the wires now switched would it be possible to go from Brighton to Reading via Kensington Olympia on an electric train - use third rail and then switching to OH? I don't know if all junctions/chords are joined up. Back in the late 1980's I used to enjoy the Inter-City service (class 47 hauled) from Brighton taking this route into Reading before heading up to Birmingham.
 

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With the wires now switched would it be possible to go from Brighton to Reading via Kensington Olympia on an electric train - use third rail and then switching to OH? I don't know if all junctions/chords are joined up. Back in the late 1980's I used to enjoy the Inter-City service (class 47 hauled) from Brighton taking this route into Reading before heading up to Birmingham.
Not yet, as the Poplar Lines from Acton Wells junction to the GWML (east of Acton Main Line station) aren't electrified.
 

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Not yet, as the Poplar Lines from Acton Wells junction to the GWML (east of Acton Main Line station) aren't electrified.
You'd also have to reverse. The original route disappeared under North Pole depot a couple of decades ago.
 

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You'd also have to reverse. The original route disappeared under North Pole depot a couple of decades ago.
I think the link from Mitre Bridge to Acton Wells via Willesden West London Junctions would allow this move without reversal, though according to my rather outdated Quail map that isn't fully electrified either.
 

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A few photos from this weekend of where they are with Swindon, the

Platform 1 - these have been here for a while, but doesn't look like they'll reach the line on the platform
Platform 3 - complete (other than the wires) either side of the station, but there's a gap at the station
Platform 4 - shows the poles behind P4, the other side will be in the middle of P3, going through the roof, i didn't manage to get a photo of the one that's been doneplatform 1.jpg platform 3 east.jpg Platform 3 west.jpg platform 3.jpg Platform 4.jpg
 

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I think the link from Mitre Bridge to Acton Wells via Willesden West London Junctions would allow this move without reversal, though according to my rather outdated Quail map that isn't fully electrified either.
Hmm, good point. I'm not sure if that's all passed for passenger traffic or not - looks like it basically goes through a massive goods yard. As you say it also seems to go through a short non-electrified section
 
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