Yes I don't know what was going on there, whatever the current Microsoft browser is will let me see the new map, but Chrome is still stuck in last year's layout!
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Yes I don't know what was going on there, whatever the current Microsoft browser is will let me see the new map, but Chrome is still stuck in last year's layout!
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I went to Lostock station this morning, expecting to see some activity at the substation. There was no-one around and the site gates were locked. The car park was full and I did not see any notices advising closure in the future.
This seems to be par for the course at Lostock, a letter was sent out locally last December advising night time and weekend working in January in order to have wiring complete by end January, there was quite a lot of activity at the start and then it tailed off. We are nowhere near wiring, some bases and masts still missing and there has been no noticeble change in the last three weeks.
This seems to be par for the course at Lostock, a letter was sent out locally last December advising night time and weekend working in January in order to have wiring complete by end January, there was quite a lot of activity at the start and then it tailed off. We are nowhere near wiring, some bases and masts still missing and there has been no noticeble change in the last three weeks.
I'm sure others more knowledgable will correct me. I think it has been mentioned both in this thread some time ago, and in the Rail article, that there are some fixed reds. Trains from Blackpool South arriving at platform 1 or 2 can only terminate and form a train back to Blackpool.
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The new axle counters around Castlefield and Ordsall Lane don’t have the traditional yellow mushrooms. You can just see the axle counter heads on the rail, then the cable just runs off to the traditional line side junction boxes.
LDECRexile
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True to his word, they've arrived.
I've added them to his album here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157671732263863
and to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633
Thank you Reg.
I have checked the Virgin site too. The 05:30 from Blackpool North appears to terminate at Crewe. This is what it always did but it then joined the service from Holyhead and continued to Euston with an 0834 arrival. Previously it was shown as a through train, so this could be a glitch, it has the same stops. I would have thought that there was little point in a service terminating at Crewe at that hour.
The return service 16:33 from Euston is shown with all the usual stops giving a Blackpool North arrival of 19:30 1 minute eaarlier than before the possession curtailed the service.
Can anybody shed light on the outward(am) posting on the VT website?
I believe the creaters of the national timetable find it difficult to cope with trains which join or divide. I have a friend who voluntarily proof reads the WHL timetable, and every time he has to manually edit in the details of the Oban/Mallaig trains.
LNW-GW Joint
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RTT still shows the Blackpool and Holyhead arriving in P11 at Crewe at the usual times, so presumably they still join for the run up to Euston.
The train wouldn't cope with only 5 coaches, especially after Rugby.
Interestingly it still shows the train starting from Preston the week before.
You'd expect this Voyager train to resume at the end of March when Blackpool North reopens, even if the wires are not useable.
The train wouldn't cope with only 5 coaches, especially after Rugby.
Interestingly it still shows the train starting from Preston the week before.
You'd expect this Voyager train to resume at the end of March when Blackpool North reopens, even if the wires are not useable.
That voyager you are on about. The headcodes used for the journey to Euston (1R13) is the 0448 off Holyhead that pieces up with the Blackpool. That's why that train shows as finishing at Crewe. The 1810 out of Euston now shows as 1J32 because the front portion goes to Wrexham now. Helps Chester PSB not to wrong route the two sections of train.
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To sum the platforms at Kirkham trains can do the following
P1 can be entered from preston and exited to Blackpool south only
a train from blackpool south can enter platform and stop and then go back to blackpool south
P2 can be entered from preston and exited to Blackpool south or blackpool north
a train can enter from blackpool south and stop then go back to blackpool south or blackpool north
P3 can be entered from Blackpool north or blackpool south and train leaves to preston or can reverse back to Blackpool South or North
there are also some shunt moves but without studying the control tables I can only guess at what they are
P1 can be entered from preston and exited to Blackpool south only
a train from blackpool south can enter platform and stop and then go back to blackpool south
P2 can be entered from preston and exited to Blackpool south or blackpool north
a train can enter from blackpool south and stop then go back to blackpool south or blackpool north
P3 can be entered from Blackpool north or blackpool south and train leaves to preston or can reverse back to Blackpool South or North
there are also some shunt moves but without studying the control tables I can only guess at what they are
LDECRexile
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Crystal clear and helpful, thank you
Foggycorner
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Before someone asks as I have now retired I no longer have full access to control tables so can only give an educated guess
TBSchenker
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Pretty much as described. 
GRALISTAIR
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Outstanding - thanks for those diagram postings.
jyte
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May I ask where you got those diagrams or did you make them yourself?
driver9000
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Route briefing notes.
LDECRexile
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Hear hear.
I travelled to Blackpool South today, a personal first. I then took a tram to North Pier and legged it to Blackpool North in glorious sunshine.
I've added photos to the Combined Volume here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157661069863633
LDECRexile
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An Orangeman has kindly given me permission to say that:
1. Poulton signalbox is due to be demolished starting at 07:00 on Monday 19th February 2018. If he tells me that that has changed I will say so on this thread.
2. Work will start this weekend on drains south of Poulton station. The work over the weekend will be preparatory and not especially interesting to view, but things should get livelier on Monday. He said the work should be readily photographable from the Station Road and Garstang Road East bridges and the foot crossing off the end of Holts Lane (53.841846, -2.976784) though that crossing itself is, of course, closed.
1. Poulton signalbox is due to be demolished starting at 07:00 on Monday 19th February 2018. If he tells me that that has changed I will say so on this thread.
2. Work will start this weekend on drains south of Poulton station. The work over the weekend will be preparatory and not especially interesting to view, but things should get livelier on Monday. He said the work should be readily photographable from the Station Road and Garstang Road East bridges and the foot crossing off the end of Holts Lane (53.841846, -2.976784) though that crossing itself is, of course, closed.
I understand that after the train service re starts from Blackpool North, there are still early morning engineering possessions from Preston to Blackpool North right up until the line goes live on May 20th. Hence the start from Preston.
GRALISTAIR
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As usual Dave thanks for these photos and update. Really coming along nicely. Congratulations on your personal first of a trip to Blackpool south and your trip along the prom prom prom tiddly prom.
GRALISTAIR
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I arrive home Friday 23rd and will concentrate on the gap at the start of TB Way to east of UCLAN sports complex and Kirkham to Blackpool
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Thanks as normal to all our contributors. Can I ask what OTM (siding) means in regard to the diagrams so kindly posted by TB Shenker?
jyte
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On Track Machine, if I remember correctly.
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Thanks for posting these- very interesting. Surely both Lytham lines can't be down lines though! (see red limit of electrification notes)
They're not, there is an up lytham on there. Are you referring to the down fylde which goes towards poulton?
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The note seems to have been added pointing at the Up Lytham for the sake of map clarity while obviously referring to the Down Lytham.
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No, unless I am missing something this is just a simple error - the diagram of Kirkham West Junction showing the South Fylde branch incorrectly labels the limit of electrification on Up Lytham as Down Lytham.
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Any one any idea what previous working forms the 08:53 service to Blackpool North as that is shocking path and may as well call at Nuneaton, Stafford and Crewe on the way. The other option would have been to ask LM to pad out their 08:46 to 'hide' at Rugby in a similar way to what the 16:46 and 17:46 do and therefore depart at 08:57? Surely the vacant standard hour slot is 08:33 to 08:37?
Definitely there in RTT
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