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Given the terminating slots at KGX likely to be freed up by extending the outer-surburban services to Thameslink, would it be possible to run some extra tph (say 2, one Hertford one WGC) to KGX in the peak
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spark001uk
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I noticed TL increased through services via LBG last Wednesday, so I did a couple of trips on them from the core to Croydon. Not bad, knocks a good 5 mins off compared to the crawler route, definitely much less crawling! There's a booked wait at LBG to tweak them into path, probably until they re-jig the timetable, however we tended to wait on the chord northbound, and outside Croydon on southbound, rather than occupy platforms.
Wondering though, once the route is in full swing and they stop at LBG, will they ditch the Brightons that currently go off the bays?
Wondering though, once the route is in full swing and they stop at LBG, will they ditch the Brightons that currently go off the bays?
Kite159
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Isn't one of the ideas that the 2tph which currently go into bays at London Bridge get extended to Cambridge/Peterborough?
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Some (About 30) Thameslink Services between Bedford & Three Bridges/Brighton will resume calling at London Bridge from Monday 12th Feb....
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G72711/2018/02/12/advanced
Also - This WTT Test path comes into effect
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G10188/2018/02/12/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G72711/2018/02/12/advanced
Also - This WTT Test path comes into effect
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G10188/2018/02/12/advanced
4tph that went into the bays will go through the core:
2tph Brighton to Cambridge
and
2tph Horsham to Peterborough
..together with the 2tph Three Bridges to Bedford that currently go via Herne Hill
spark001uk
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So I assume the 2tph 1Wxx will continue go via Herne then? Is that likely to remain for some time/permanently?
they will ALL go via London Bridge from May's timetable change. In the meantime, some are going via Herne Hill (as 1Ws) and some are going via London Bridge (these will be 1Ts/2Ts), according to driver training. They are duplicated in the timetable so either one can be cancelled at short notice dependant on driver knowledge.
check out tomorrows timetable for example: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...18/02/08/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt
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Are the doors being opened at London Bridge?
Not till next Monday
Skimpot flyer
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Any calling at London Bridge in the Northbound direction?
Travelling on a 700/1 the other day, I noticed the disabled toilet was reported as 'out of service'.
Given that whole fleets are being decommissioned or expensively upgraded to satisfy PRM requirements, what happens when the single disabled toilet becomes unserviceable ? Should the 12-car unit be withdrawn from service, or should we be looking at fitting a second or even third disabled toilet ? In fact, at this rate a 153 could become a 3 seat disabled toilet train with no seating left for anybody else.
Given that whole fleets are being decommissioned or expensively upgraded to satisfy PRM requirements, what happens when the single disabled toilet becomes unserviceable ? Should the 12-car unit be withdrawn from service, or should we be looking at fitting a second or even third disabled toilet ? In fact, at this rate a 153 could become a 3 seat disabled toilet train with no seating left for anybody else.
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Don’t the 12 car units have 2 disabled bogs?
They have 2 standard and 1 accessible. Down from 3 standard and 3 accessible as a comparison from a 12 car 365 or 387.
Not really a fair comparison that - with the 365s you can't walk between the units so each unit has the relevant toilets in so they are compliant when run as a single unit. Same to an extent with the 387s - not sure how somebody in a wheelchair for example would fair getting between the units on a 387 - whereas the 700s have large, wide walkthrough connections so it's far easier to get from one end of the train to another.
It may not be particularly fair but it’s a relevant comparison. If the disabled toilet in one of those 3 units was out of service the person in the wheelchair would be put into one of the other two units where it was working. Also wheelchair users are specifically told to remain in the middle of the train as they can’t get on or off anywhere else, so being walk through makes little to no difference in this situation.
Although even with the above none of it makes a difference if the toilet goes out of service during the journey.
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You can’t use the corridor connections on great Northern anyway.
The 12s have 5.
Indeed: http://extra.southernelectric.org.uk/news/tsgn/img/richardwhitbread700109bfr240516_pis_toilets.jpg
4 standard, 1 accessible. The only reason an equivalent 365 or 387 have so many is being 3 units, if they were a single unit they wouldn't.
My apologies, you are of course correct (clearly didn’t get enough sleep last night!)
Indeed the 700/1 has 2 standard toilets, 1 PRM toilet in the middle and then a further 2 standard toilets.
The unit I travelled on yesterday evening, the PRM toilet was displayed as 'out of service' again.
Which raises the question ?
If I was in a wheelchair what would I do ? Board and pee myself, board but get off if I want to go to the loo, board but get off again immediately and wait for the next train.
It comes back to my original point, we seem to be spending an awful lot of money making stock PRM compliant but is it just to simply tick a box and claim to satisfy the regulation, or is it to actually provide PRM toilets on every train.
What I'm trying to get at here is an HST will be withdrawn from service if it does not have expensive PRM modifications undertaken, yet a 700/1 will be compliant simply because it has a PRM toilet fitted even though it cannot be used.
What's the difference for a PRM passenger, in either event they would have 2 options:
(a) travel and get off if they need the loo.
(b) wait for the next service with a PRM toilet.
The unit I travelled on yesterday evening, the PRM toilet was displayed as 'out of service' again.
Which raises the question ?
If I was in a wheelchair what would I do ? Board and pee myself, board but get off if I want to go to the loo, board but get off again immediately and wait for the next train.
It comes back to my original point, we seem to be spending an awful lot of money making stock PRM compliant but is it just to simply tick a box and claim to satisfy the regulation, or is it to actually provide PRM toilets on every train.
What I'm trying to get at here is an HST will be withdrawn from service if it does not have expensive PRM modifications undertaken, yet a 700/1 will be compliant simply because it has a PRM toilet fitted even though it cannot be used.
What's the difference for a PRM passenger, in either event they would have 2 options:
(a) travel and get off if they need the loo.
(b) wait for the next service with a PRM toilet.
I think fines should be levied if the toilets are not emptied frequently enough to keep them in service. Far different to them simply being vandalised or something. The trains should report if the tanks are filling up?
That would probably be more effective at stopping complacency when it comes to basic maintenance.
That would probably be more effective at stopping complacency when it comes to basic maintenance.
Used wifi on 143 Bfr to Bug pretty good.
asylumxl
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Used it a few times. It works OK but isn't particularly fast and it seems to suffer frequent dropouts.
Islineclear3_1
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Anything to do with the tunnels and high embankments on the line?
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the GatEx wifi on the 387s seems to withstand it all. The SN 377 one doesn't tho! So maybe its down to the provider of the wifi?
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377s are 15+ years old (some of them anyway) thats probably it
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