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Trap and drag at Notting Hill Gate 31/1

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Excellent to see my news feed full of comments about DOO not being safe. Love a good politicisation of an incident.
 

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The RAIB are looking for witnesses. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/witness-appeal-notting-hill-gate-31-january-2018

Appeal for witnesses to an incident at Notting Hill Gate Underground station
At around 16:05 on Wednesday 31 January 2018, a passenger at Notting Hill Gate Underground station was dragged along the platform after becoming trapped in the doors of a Central Line train.

Did you witness this incident or have any other information you consider relevant? If so, we would like to hear from you.
 
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Might be just a co-incidence but yesterday morning one of the District/Circle line platforms was closed (think it was the southbound one) due to "defective platform equipment" or something like that. I heard this on LBC travel bulletins.
 

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Coincidence. The two events are not connected at all; the Central and sub-surface are completely separate and use different systems. The closure was due to a fault on the sub-surface part of the station.
 

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Glad to see the standard of reporting at the Metro is as high as ever:
The Metro said:
She said Transport for London derailed the train to safely released the trapped woman.
I find it rather likely that an average passenger, such as the one being quoted, would say something like that - indeed if the train was jacked up to release her then it is quite possibly correct based on the literal meaning of "derailed" (train wheels ceasing to be in contact with the running rails). If this was something in the reporter's voice being presented as what happened then, yes you would have a point about it being misleading but it isn't.

There are many good reasons not to like The Metro, but this instance of accurately reporting the quote of non-specialist witnesses is not one of them.
 

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Has there ever been a trap and drag with S stock or on ne Vic since they got their new stock of has the sensitive edge technology been 100% effective in preventing them?
 

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Has there ever been a trap and drag with S stock or on ne Vic since they got their new stock of has the sensitive edge technology been 100% effective in preventing them?
A District driver was asked to resign, before disciplinary action would’ve dismissed them, for over-riding the sensitive edge system on S Stock and departed a station while a passengers coat was trapped in a door, luckily the passenger extracted themselves from the coat before the train entered the tunnel. The train didn’t stop.
 
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A District driver was asked to resign, before disciplinary action would’ve dismissed them, for over-riding the sensitive edge system on S Stock and departed a station while a passengers coat was trapped in a door, luckily the passenger extracted themselves from the coat before the train entered the tunnel. The train didn’t stop.
That's not really a problem with the sensitive edge technology - if the operator hadn't overridden it seems there wouldn't have been a trap and drag (just a trap). I'm not downplaying what was obviously a serious incident, but it's not one you can really blame the technology for.
 

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That's not really a problem with the sensitive edge technology
I was responding to the question “Has there ever been a trap and drag with S stock or . . . “ which my reply seemed to fit. The passenger was still inside the coat until just before the headwall.
 

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I understood the question slightly differently - is the sensitive edge technology effective at preventing trap and drags? To which the answer seems to be that the technology is but the humans in charge of the technology aren't.
 

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Have there been any trap-and-drags because the S Stock's or '09 Tube Stock's sensitive edges had failed to detect?
 

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I understood the question slightly differently - is the sensitive edge technology effective at preventing trap and drags? To which the answer seems to be that the technology is but the humans in charge of the technology aren't.
As with any safety system, if edge detection gives too many false alarms there is a risk it will just be ignored or isolated.
 

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As with any safety system, if edge detection gives too many false alarms there is a risk it will just be ignored or isolated.
Indeed. It's the same with the overabundance of announcements on the tube - you can't separate the wheat from the chaff so they all get ignored.
 

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As with any safety system, if edge detection gives too many false alarms there is a risk it will just be ignored or isolated.
There are virtually no (never say never) false alarms with the S Stock not, there were issues when it was new.

I think it is a brilliant system and should be mandatory for all new trains/trams
 

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Right on cue, RAIB have announced their investigation, and say:

RAIB said:
Passengers on the train operated the emergency alarms and the train operator applied the brake. By the time the train came to a stand, six of its eight coaches were in the running tunnel.
 
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