PHILIPE
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It was only cancelled between Llandudno and the Junction. That's an every day type of event.
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All Arriva Trains Wales 175s taken out of service (28/02)
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It was only cancelled between Llandudno and the Junction. That's an every day type of event.
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I use it daily. Last week notwithstanding, it has not happened in the last 12 months, so hardly an everyday type event. Wasnt showing as cancelled when I left the house either. £5k a year for this!
krus_aragon
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Okay, granted, the cancelling of the 0745 between LLD and LLJ is not an everyday occurrence, but cancelling a service between LLD and LLJ for operational reasons is quite common and could happen on any day of the week.
I think ATW still have some 175s out of service as today at least 2 158s and 2 150s were seen on West Wales to Manchester diagrams. One of the 150's was covering the diagram booked for a 158 but the other 150 and 2 158s were both in place of a 175.
philthetube
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even more in this case as only the divine being knew what the problem was.
I don't. I am just saying that I saw 2 158s and a 150 on diagrams that were booked for a 175.
edwin_m
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Recognising that I have no divine right to this information, does anyone know what the problem actually was, and was it safety-related? It is somewhat concerning that the mere mortals who run the railway took so long to locate it.
Post 127 is interesting and I imagine lots of us would like to know more too. If taking chunks out of the back of wheel flanges is considered safety-critical then I imagine we shall see a RAIB report in due course. It sounds as though it might be down to something like a check-rail end far too close to the running rail, but the trouble is that the lawyers will now be involved arguing about compensation so everything will be kept under wraps. Another frustration that would be less likely if we had One Railway (and we would avoid the lawyers bills that go with this too.)
krus_aragon
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Some details were posted on the North Wales Coast Railway Noticeboard, but I can't vouch for the original source of the information:
Given that Network Rail is a public authority subject to the Freedom of Information Act, operational details are very much now a matter of public record and can be requested via an FoI submission. All internal emails and documentation relating to a particular matter can be requested by any member of the public, subject to certain confidentiality criteria which can also always be protested to the Information Commissioner.
My point being, why not be as open with details anyway instead of operating behind this great veil of "you dont really need to know"...?
Halish Railway
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I remember seeing a Class 175 pass Eccles on its way to Llandudno and it had a very loud wheel flat, most likely something like that would be what I heard. Tbh regular passengers won't take much notice of the issue.That's a hell of a dent... Don't know whose photo it is, but look at it!
I would have thought that the traincrew or even savvy passengers might have reported feeling it...
I have no idea what could have caused such a massive dent.
Shaw S Hunter
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Your point about openness is well made. But the problem is sometimes how to "manage" such information without causing undue public alarm. That can be a bit of a tightrope walk...
PHILIPE
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See Post #127. Defective set of points.
YorkshireBear
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Aye and let the daily mail savages sensationalise it?
A wheel flat starts with an eerily silent slide or deceleration (or failure to decelerate - from personal experience.) Then the banging starts as you pull away from the station and is obviously correlated with speed - and on-train staff know what it is. (I'm not talking about th e flats that result from vehicles being dragged with the handbrake applied, which is how I assume most freight wheel-flats occur.)
Every train that got damaged going over the track defect must have suffered such a violent blow that you might even wonder if it would derail a following train. I've been on trains that have stopped to report a track defect "just in case."
You wouldn't expect any noise or rough-riding from the damage on the back of the flange, except if the wheel became seriously unbalanced, and I don't know how much weight you have to remove to cause that.
Daily Mail journos and most "right wing" publications are too lazy to do their own in-depth investigations. It would be the Guardian and their ilk that I would be more concerned about when dealing with detailed FOI requests.
There are enough details on this forum for me to submit an FOI request for all correspodence and internal reports and send to the local rags anyway.
From my own experience... never email or record ANYTHING that you wouldnt want to see published in the newspaper. At any public organisation, pretty much any and all your documents can be pulled and published.
The railway better get used to it.
WelshBluebird
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Of course, the more open and transparent you are, the less the likes of the Daily Mail etc have to work with because all of the information is already out there! If you had the document trail of what happened from finding the fault, to pulling the trains out of service, to the issue getting fixed etc, and assuming it actually happened in the correct and safe manner - then there is no story there (apart from "safety procedures worked"!). Now, if the papers could find a story there (maybe the issue was brought up but ignored or whatever), then I'd argue that that story is in the public interest and so we should have zero problem with it being reported.
Which at the moment there is a great hysteria story here to knock NR and the railway in general, complete with image. "Dangerous track damages trains: thousands of journeys delayed" and all that can be drawn out from the posts in this thread, tweets and facebook comments and not from ANY official source of factual information. Then you would have The Worlds Greatest Living Transport Coorespondent commenting on how this is but a symptom of the privatised railway, despite billions in subsidy etc etc.
Instead of the actual story, which is routine inspection finds minor wheelset damage, trains removed as a precaution, fault found and repaired, no-one injured.
Keeping information witheld just implies theres something to hide, particularly with a generally innocuous story like this one.
The press after all use hysteria and criticism to drum up a story particularly when information is not provided or isnt detailed enough - I know this all too well.
Instead of the actual story, which is routine inspection finds minor wheelset damage, trains removed as a precaution, fault found and repaired, no-one injured.
Keeping information witheld just implies theres something to hide, particularly with a generally innocuous story like this one.
The press after all use hysteria and criticism to drum up a story particularly when information is not provided or isnt detailed enough - I know this all too well.
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