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Trivia: Wired Stations served mostly by Diesels

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Carnforth platforms are wired but only see an electric train if the WCML is blocked and the station is being used for reversals. No electric services stop there
 
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Carnforth platforms are wired but only see an electric train if the WCML is blocked and the station is being used for reversals. No electric services stop there

Wonder how long goes between the wires being used ?

Regarding Newcraighall and Brunstane , didnt they have a 322 service from Glasgow?
 

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Brunstane and Newcraighall are both electrified but see only diesel Borders Railway services.

Holytown, on the Shotts line, only sees diesels, after being removed from the Lanark service.

Slateford, Kingsknowe, Wester Hailes, Curriehill and Kirknewton see mainly diesels, however they do see a couple of electrics a day I believe.

Coatbridge Central and Whifflet used to see only 156s and/or 158s despite being fully electrified, this has changed now though.

The GLC-MIA TPE service is mainly run by a 185 these days, I think that may run under wires the entire distance?



Linlithgow and Lenzie certainly get peak electrics, Polmont probably does too.

There is a peak time service to Carstairs which serves Holytown and is electric (1700 Anderston to Carstairs, probably one of the least worked evening diagrams for an EMU in Scotland as it does that one service before returning to the depot)
 

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I'd be surprised if Preston has more diesel services than electrics now. May 2018 timetable changes will make it majority electric for certain.
Northern currently have 6 to 8 departures an hour off peak (Ormskirk, Barrow, Windermere not regular hourly services) only one of these is electric.

TPE have 2 departures an hour. Not all these are electric.

Virgin have 4 departures an hour. Voyagers used on several of these.

April will see more diesels when Blackpool North reopens.

May should see some electric trains to Blackpool likely either 1 or 2 of the 4 hourly Northern services and some Virgin services. It will however also see more diesels as Ormskirk and Barrow/Windermere should go hourly.

I certainly think there will be more electrics than diesels by the end of this year (assuming Bolton line finished).
 

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Northern currently have 6 to 8 departures an hour off peak (Ormskirk, Barrow, Windermere not regular hourly services) only one of these is electric.

TPE have 2 departures an hour. Not all these are electric.

Virgin have 4 departures an hour. Voyagers used on several of these.

April will see more diesels when Blackpool North reopens.

May should see some electric trains to Blackpool likely either 1 or 2 of the 4 hourly Northern services and some Virgin services. It will however also see more diesels as Ormskirk and Barrow/Windermere should go hourly.

I certainly think there will be more electrics than diesels by the end of this year (assuming Bolton line finished).

Are Voyagers used on several of those? Most Scotland-London services are a Pendolino
 

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Are Voyagers used on several of those? Most Scotland-London services are a Pendolino
The Scotland - London services via the Trent Valley are usually 390s, but many of the Scotland - London via Birmingham services are 221s.
 

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The Scotland - London services via the Trent Valley are usually 390s, but many of the Scotland - London via Birmingham services are 221s.

I think it varies at the weekend . I think theres more pendos than voyagers though.
 

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Interesting. I hadn't realised quite how many of the ECML stations were diesel only despite being wired! Although i suppose at least there the wires are used by fast trains passing through.

But if we put to one side local stoppers on electrified express lines, are there any big stations/terminii with similar issues to Leeds? I mean, wires on every platform but I imagine a lot of them (the Transpennine platforms for example) ever get an electric service even passing through - the wires have probably not been used on some of those platforms since installation!

In the case of Leeds, I know at the start and end of service VTEC use more platforms than normal in the middle of the station, but I don’t know if that extends all the way to 15/16, and not all these services are electrics.

Has platform 17 ever seen an electric

Are the eastern facing bays wired up?

I suppose for operational flexibility it’s better to wire up every platform.
 

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Regarding Newcraighall and Brunstane , didnt they have a 322 service from Glasgow?
Not to my knowledge. Until the Borders line was built, Newcraighall station was wired, but the turnback siding beyond was not. Because the station platform was on a gradient, it was considered unsafe for a driver to change ends there, so everything had to be timetabled into the turnback siding and back again. And therefore it couldn't be diagrammed for an Electric Unit.

(Trains could change ends there in an emergency or to recover from service disruption, but there was an elaborate procedure involving the guard being in a position to apply the handbrake in one cab while the driver changed ends.)
EMUs to/from the new Millerhill stabling point will go past Newcraighall, but not through the platform.
 

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If you include DC third rail stations then I would include...
Millbrook and Redbridge which although on the Southampton-Bournemouth main line are mainly served by DMUs on the Southampton- Romsey/Salisbury services
 

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Has platform 17 ever seen an electric?

Yes, I was a bit surprised myself, but there is one booked to do it, the 1826 SO from Doncaster which goes back as the 1921, and it did run to 17 on Saturday (322484). I can't find anything booked to use 16, but there seems to be a few booked to use 15. Both 7 and 14 are wired, only time I could really see them being used is if an ECS set off for Neville Hill and had to come back for some reason.
 

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Are Voyagers used on several of those? Most Scotland-London services are a Pendolino
Agreed most Scotland to London services are Pendolinos but Voyagers are used on several of the the services which operate via Birmingham including those few that start/terminate from Crewe.
 
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just remembered that one, possibly both of the northbound bay platforms at Lancaster are wired, and I suspect have never held an electric train due to their length. I presume the wiring was done under the assumption that Lancaster-Barrow / Morecambe / Windermere would be wired and worked by EMUs terminating at Lancaster
from this photo at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~owend/I/R/stnpages/lancaster.html its clear platform 2 is wired, possibly1

lancaster3canopyend.jpg
 

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Its 3rd rail and not wired but most the trains at Chester are diesel.

Most the trains call at Ardwick are diesel and most the trains at Dunbar I think are Diesel.
 

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Its 3rd rail and not wired but most the trains at Chester are diesel.

Most the trains call at Ardwick are diesel and most the trains at Dunbar I think are Diesel.

Dunbar not have 380s and 91 sets ? Or is it all HST with VTEC there
 

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Its 3rd rail and not wired but most the trains at Chester are diesel.

Most the trains call at Ardwick are diesel and most the trains at Dunbar I think are Diesel.

Dunbar is pretty much a 50/50 mix of diesels and electrics. Scotrail have bi-hourly electrics at Dunbar, and VTEC operate 2 or 3 also. XC operate diesels around bi-hourly I think and there are a few VTEC services which are diesels too.
 

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Dunbar not have 380s and 91 sets ? Or is it all HST with VTEC there

It’s about 50/50 with the VTEC that call there. The Aberdeen-Leeds services have to be HSTs. XC operate bi-hourly diesels and Scotrail operate bi-hourly electrics.
 

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Tamworth is electrified on the low level but there are more trains overall serving it on the high level which isn't electrified.
 

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Glasgow Queen St at the Moment .

Certainly high level. There’s 8tph each way electrics through. There’s around 10tph leave and enter High Level each hour I think, of which 2tph are electric. So overall, Queen Street is actually mostly served by electrics, slightly.
 

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Norwich for sure- in an average weekday off-peak hour there's two electric departures and five diesel
 

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Not to my knowledge. Until the Borders line was built, Newcraighall station was wired, but the turnback siding beyond was not. Because the station platform was on a gradient, it was considered unsafe for a driver to change ends there, so everything had to be timetabled into the turnback siding and back again. And therefore it couldn't be diagrammed for an Electric Unit.

(Trains could change ends there in an emergency or to recover from service disruption, but there was an elaborate procedure involving the guard being in a position to apply the handbrake in one cab while the driver changed ends.)
EMUs to/from the new Millerhill stabling point will go past Newcraighall, but not through the platform.

I first travelled on the line to Newcraighall in around 2011 and the 158 simply turned round in the platform at the time. I think a future visit saw the same happen. Never heard of Newcraighall having services run into a turnback siding
 

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Its 3rd rail and not wired but most the trains at Chester are diesel.

Most the trains call at Ardwick are diesel and most the trains at Dunbar I think are Diesel.

Only one platform, as far as I can recall, has third rail at Chester, not the whole station
 
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