Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

43096 · 22 Mar 2018

Fleetwood Boy said:
Can anyone say definitively how many units have gone, how many more to go, and when?

2 x 158 and 4 x 170 have gone so far. There’s 6 more 158s, 12 more 170s and 5 156s still to go - all to Northern. There are also 5 extra 156s to go, but they do not have any future homes agreed as yet.

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hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

43096 said:
2 x 158 and 4 x 170 have gone so far. There’s 6 more 158s, 12 more 170s and 5 156s still to go - all to Northern. There are also 5 extra 156s to go, but they do not have any future homes agreed as yet.

That's going to make things fun, not o_O

td97 · 22 Mar 2018

43096 said:
2 x 158 and 4 x 170 have gone so far. There’s 6 more 158s, 12 more 170s and 5 156s still to go - all to Northern. There are also 5 extra 156s to go, but they do not have any future homes agreed as yet.

It's probably been mentioned before in the depths of this thread, or possibly the Northern rolling stock changes thread, but are you aware of any dates for the units to cascade to Northern?

Southsider · 22 Mar 2018

hexagon789 said:
I think 10 is enough for all E-G peak to be 8-car plus some spare units. Definitely not enough for the Edinburgh via Cumbernauld nor Alloa or Dunblane services though.

Deviating briefly to the topic of another thread, when are these routes due to go electric?

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

Southsider said:
Deviating briefly to the topic of another thread, when are these routes due to go electric?

December I think?

Southsider · 22 Mar 2018

hexagon789 said:
December I think?

Add in Shotts about the same time and the pressure will be on to find EMUs. Even if deliveries of 385s start in the next couple of months there may be a period where there is a shortfall in stock.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

Southsider said:
Add in Shotts about the same time and the pressure will be on to find EMUs. Even if deliveries of 385s start in the next couple of months there may be a period where there is a shortfall in stock.

Exactly, it's going to be a right mess. I can see the Diesel Units that are left covering electrified routes for a while yet.

43096 · 22 Mar 2018

td97 said:
It's probably been mentioned before in the depths of this thread, or possibly the Northern rolling stock changes thread, but are you aware of any dates for the units to cascade to Northern?

The ScotRail franchise agreement - as published on the Transport Scotland website - says they all go by the end of this year. Worth noting that the first 385s were due last summer and the first HSTs were due June this year.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

43096 said:
The ScotRail franchise agreement - as published on the Transport Scotland website - says they all go by the end of this year. Worth noting that the first 385s were due last summer and the first HSTs were due June this year.

Well hopefully we will get the HSTs by the end of the year at the very least.

marks87 · 22 Mar 2018

Have I missed a new rule where it's mandatory to reply to every...single...post on every...single...thread? Anyway...

43096 said:
2 x 158 and 4 x 170 have gone so far. There’s 6 more 158s, 12 more 170s and 5 156s still to go - all to Northern. There are also 5 extra 156s to go, but they do not have any future homes agreed as yet.

I would hope ScotRail are negotiating an extension to the 5 unhomed 156s. Grab anything they can and all that.

But they can't lose that many 158s and 170s without some kind of stopgap.

a_c_skinner · 22 Mar 2018

marks87 said:
But they can't lose that many 158s and 170s without some kind of stopgap

Are they going to Northern to replace Pacers? Because if so telling Northern to keep the Pacers seems a reasonable plan. I speak as a Northern customer BTW.

mcmad · 22 Mar 2018

hexagon789 said:
December I think?

No chance the wires will be live to Stirling/Dunblane/Alloa this year.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

mcmad said:
No chance the wires will be live to Stirling/Dunblane/Alloa this year.

Are they even up yet?

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

a_c_skinner said:
Are they going to Northern to replace Pacers? Because if so telling Northern to keep the Pacers seems a reasonable plan. I speak as a Northern customer BTW.

Are you sure the good people of the North would be happy with that?

Stopper · 22 Mar 2018

hexagon789 said:
Are they even up yet?

Anything north of the Larbert area has next to no wires. In theory, I think the E-G via Cumbernauld entire line could be live by December but there isn’t really much demand for that so I doubt it’ll be running any time this year.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

Stopper said:
Anything north of the Larbert area has next to no wires. In theory, I think the E-G via Cumbernauld entire line could be live by December but there isn’t really much demand for that so I doubt it’ll be running any time this year.

I'm not sure there really is much demand for the service as planned

greyman42 · 22 Mar 2018

a_c_skinner said:
Are they going to Northern to replace Pacers? Because if so telling Northern to keep the Pacers seems a reasonable plan. I speak as a Northern customer BTW.

Why would Northern agree to that?

marks87 · 22 Mar 2018

greyman42 said:
Why would Northern agree to that?

Northern would likely counter-propose that ScotRail take the Pacers

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

marks87 said:
Northern would likely counter-propose that ScotRail take the Pacers

Eek! Not only your life! o_O

They tried that before with the Class 140 on the Cumbernauld shuttle and what a sucess that wasn't. :lol:

route101 · 22 Mar 2018

benbristow said:
I like the new ones tbh. They're at perfect laptop height to the table.

I was on one of the new 156s and the table seemed a bit low to my knees , seats are upright compared to the old . You will get used to them in time . The green seats were on the SPT liveried 156s .

Fleetwood Boy · 22 Mar 2018

43096 said:
2 x 158 and 4 x 170 have gone so far. There’s 6 more 158s, 12 more 170s and 5 156s still to go - all to Northern. There are also 5 extra 156s to go, but they do not have any future homes agreed as yet.

There’s something doesn’t quite add up already in those numbers. If only 6 DMUs have left the fleet so far, that’s only 5 less in daily service, and there’s been at least 4 EMUs in daily service on E&G. So very little justification for any short forming to date.

Admittedly it’s going to get worse very soon.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

Fleetwood Boy said:
Admittedly it’s going to get worse very soon.

Much worse it would seem.

380101 · 22 Mar 2018

route101 said:
I was on one of the new 156s and the table seemed a bit low to my knees , seats are upright compared to the old . You will get used to them in time . The green seats were on the SPT liveried 156s .

the tables are the same height as the old ones. Its the seat bases that are higher, thus the reduced leg room. Has been pointed out many times by plenty of us staff, and complaints from passengers but seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

380101 said:
the tables are the same height as the old ones. Its the seat bases that are higher, thus the reduced leg room. Has been pointed out many times by plenty of us staff, and complaints from passengers but seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

The leg room and cushioning are a significant step down in comfort.

route101 · 22 Mar 2018

380101 said:
the tables are the same height as the old ones. Its the seat bases that are higher, thus the reduced leg room. Has been pointed out many times by plenty of us staff, and complaints from passengers but seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Yep thats it the seat bases . The current seats are pretty comfortable , the 170s still beats it

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

route101 said:
Yep thats it the seat bases . The current seats are pretty comfortable , the 170s still beats it

The current seats are fine if a little worn bit the 170s are much better, particularly the older-style First Class seats

Christmas · 22 Mar 2018

PLEASE STOP REVERTING BACK TO THE TRAIN SEATS OBSESSION.

Glenmutchkin · 22 Mar 2018

Finally scored my first 380 on the E&G tonight and was impressed with the acceleration out of Queen Street. Interesting to see the Conductor signal the train off with a green flag. He told us this is only done at Queen Street.

Somewhere earlier in the thread it was suggested that getting paths between Shields depot and the E&G was one of the factors inhibiting the deployment of more 380s as an interim measure. Which route is taken for these moves?

hexagon789 · 22 Mar 2018

Christmas said:
PLEASE STOP REVERTING BACK TO THE TRAIN SEATS OBSESSION.

There's no need to shout.

scotraildriver · 22 Mar 2018

Glenmutchkin said:
Finally scored my first 380 on the E&G tonight and was impressed with the acceleration out of Queen Street. Interesting to see the Conductor signal the train off with a green flag. He told us this is only done at Queen Street.

Somewhere earlier in the thread it was suggested that getting paths between Shields depot and the E&G was one of the factors inhibiting the deployment of more 380s as an interim measure. Which route is taken for these moves?

It is a pain in the neck. A Queen St driver takes it via Bellgrove to Hyndland loop where a Yoker driver is picked up and route conducts via central low level and Rutherglen to Shields Depot. They then hang about until the new train is ready and do it all in reverse. It takes 4 hours all in and that's just one train. It's very wasteful of resources

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