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Hi guys anyone recent or currently in York know what hotel they are using at The moment?
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Dannygee
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A variety, however Radisson Park Inn is one.
nr_signaller
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Hi everyone I've been on this forum a while just never posted.. ..completed signalling school mid Feb time....regards to hotels in York I was placed in the park inn which was handy as only 5mins walk to training centre
Highlandspring
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There are loads and unless you’re an internal candidate then it’s irrelevant to you.
NewbieDoobie
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Hi there,
So I’ve read through the thread and have a question. I’ve applied for Pontrilas SB near Hereford as a total freshie (currently a bus driver), I’ve completed the assessment and passed and am now waiting to hear as closing date was only last Thursday.
Question is - as just a hopeful, should I just apply for the one position or apply for as many as are open and local enough or will this put HR off me at this stage?
Thanks in advance!
So I’ve read through the thread and have a question. I’ve applied for Pontrilas SB near Hereford as a total freshie (currently a bus driver), I’ve completed the assessment and passed and am now waiting to hear as closing date was only last Thursday.
Question is - as just a hopeful, should I just apply for the one position or apply for as many as are open and local enough or will this put HR off me at this stage?
Thanks in advance!
Apply for as many as possible mate. It won't put HR off and the LOM can't see how many applications you have open!
NewbieDoobie
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Okay then thanks! There’s another Hereford not long come up on there, how far would you all ultimately want to travel to work, ie the grade 7 Feltham I’m about an hour and a half train from but the pay grade from 2-7 is much different. Worth applying for or leaving?
I live about 1hr 10mins from my furthest box, by car. It takes over 2 hours for me to go by train. I'd say no more than hour driving really... It's tough going after a week of nights and getting home safely
NewbieDoobie
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Noted! The application says access to a vehicle is necessary which I do of course but presumably as long as there are trains in and out before 6am and in time to get there then that’s an option for travel in and using the 75% season discount too?
Yes of course. They don't mind how you get to work, as long as you're on time. I think train is the best option as you can sleep, or unwind, and forgot about your shift. Best to switch off and relax on down time!
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Hey everyone, I was just wondering what kinds of overtime is generally available. Is it just working your rest days or are there available hours before or after booked shifts? And can you go to other signal boxes or just your own?
Thanks
Thanks
Tom Quinne
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I drive 110 minutes each way for a grade 7, it’s a slog and a half - depresses you and costs a fortune.
Lucky for me I’ve secured a grade 7 25 minutes from home.
Think carefully, very carefully do want to be going a 14/15 hour day for at least 18 months ?
Tom Quinne
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Hey everyone, I was just wondering what kinds of overtime is generally available. Is it just working your rest days or are there available hours before or after booked shifts? And can you go to other signal boxes or just your own?
Thanks
On a 8hr roster you can be mandated to work an extra hour I think it is, upto a maximum of 12 in a emergency (think the recent snow) where your relief can’t get in.
On a 12hr roster, it’s 12hrs then out the door closing your desk if required.
Generally you won’t be odds and sod’s of extra hours, you’ll do s full shift either 8 or 12hrs on RDW.
Availablity of RDW is wholly dependent on how many people are on the sick, leave or how undermanned your location is - it will also vary every month, for example from the start of Jan to early this month I was pretty much doing maximum turns 6 on the bounce with minimum rest then back again to do it again as we were so short staffed.
Now I’m doing booked turns only as I’m knackered, and seeing your deductions is heart breaking !
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Hey everyone, I was just wondering what kinds of overtime is generally available. Is it just working your rest days or are there available hours before or after booked shifts? And can you go to other signal boxes or just your own?
Thanks
Hmmm overtime
If you apply for a resident position ie one location that’s it, that will be the only location you can work (after signalling school you will be required to be passed confident in every location/panel/workstation that is part of your base roster after a period of learning it). If the location is 24/7/365 then the only overtime going will be restday working, extra Sunday above what’s on the base roster. If the location concerned is a 12hr roster then that’s abour it, however if it’s a 8hr roster then the potential to work a 12shift becomes available. The company can Roster an extra hour before or after your booked times at any location not working a 12 roster (very rare for that to happen). Some locations close out usually at night time and occasionally I’ve know the company to roster the extra hour then as to facilitate engineering work.
If the area your working in has its full compliment of GPR (General purpose relief) signallers, it’s there job to cover multiple sigannling locations for the purpose of covering leave and (sickness if they are spare), before any overtime for the above comes to a resident signaller.
There is an official document (NRP, National Rostering Principles) that shows how overtime shall be allocated between resident and GPR signallers in the small one person locations and also the larger multi panel/workstation locations.
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Hi does anyone know any details about West Hampstead relief signaller???
Do they still work 3 x 12 hour shifts a week or is it whatever they need you to work?? Are Sunday’s included? Or extra?
Is it just West Hampstead that would be covered? Or other areas???
How far ahead do you know your shifts??
Thanks
Do they still work 3 x 12 hour shifts a week or is it whatever they need you to work?? Are Sunday’s included? Or extra?
Is it just West Hampstead that would be covered? Or other areas???
How far ahead do you know your shifts??
Thanks
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Sundays are 'outside' (i.e. not included) for all signallers.
WH is a 12hr roster.
Sure both these topics have been previously covered here, if you search the forum.
Internal reliefs are usually 4% - certainly not 18% - so it sounds like this position will also cover outside boxes. Supercoss will be able to confirm which. There are a few lower-graded, single-manned boxes nearby (Cricklewood Depot panel, Dudding Hill line). Or perhaps Kings Cross PSB, given the shared talent pool - that's 8hrs on weekdays, though.
WH is a 12hr roster.
Sure both these topics have been previously covered here, if you search the forum.
Internal reliefs are usually 4% - certainly not 18% - so it sounds like this position will also cover outside boxes. Supercoss will be able to confirm which. There are a few lower-graded, single-manned boxes nearby (Cricklewood Depot panel, Dudding Hill line). Or perhaps Kings Cross PSB, given the shared talent pool - that's 8hrs on weekdays, though.
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Hi thanks for this,
Yes I know the WH psb is 12 hours and that Sunday’s are outside, I searched the forum regarding this before. What I didn’t know if this changes as your a relief signaller, that was all.... if it stayed the same or weather you was on a different contract, ie filling gaps so therefore random hours as such...
And as you say 18% is a lot, hence why I was asking. As previously mentioned on this thread when relief signaller jobs were advertised it was usually 18% and 24% but these covered a range of boxes so wanted to just check....
Likewise with how far ahead you know your shifts, week, month etc
Yes I know the WH psb is 12 hours and that Sunday’s are outside, I searched the forum regarding this before. What I didn’t know if this changes as your a relief signaller, that was all.... if it stayed the same or weather you was on a different contract, ie filling gaps so therefore random hours as such...
And as you say 18% is a lot, hence why I was asking. As previously mentioned on this thread when relief signaller jobs were advertised it was usually 18% and 24% but these covered a range of boxes so wanted to just check....
Likewise with how far ahead you know your shifts, week, month etc
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Saracen_83
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If only that job come up external!!!!
Silly question but is Upminster iecc migration part of of CP6??
Silly question but is Upminster iecc migration part of of CP6??
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Tom Quinne
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It’s always worth applying, I’d probably migrate with it into Romford anyway - unless that’s not what you’ve want of course.
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So having rewritten my CV and all of the answers to questions within the seventy requisite questionnaire that I can answer and applied for two more signaller roles I wanted to say thanks to those in this forum who have helped me with advice. I have now learnt to be patient and not to expect a quick response.....
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Regards shifts and planning ahead. All signallers have a base roster. However as a resident signaller you will have your actual booked shifts shown (including safety brief etc.) on the roster as well as your rest days/Sundays. There may be some differences in various areas, but the general cycle of a base roster is either 6 or 12 weeks, which then rotates over similar multiples. This means that arguably you could see your booked shifts for a considerable number of weeks.
A weekly published roster is (should) be issued by 12:00 on the Thursday of the week before it commences. Invariably if overtime is required a roster clerk will contact you in the week or two before the day/week in question.
As a relief signaller you will have a base roster that only shows your rest days; unless in the case of a Rest Day Relief (RDR) they may have some rostered turns shown, which is reflected in the % premium paid. As a relief you can have a shift changed with 48 hours notice. If you are shown spare on your roster then you may be called into cover any shift available (within your competency / mileage etc.)
Yes I’ve applied for it already so fingers crossed, and I hope there will still be vacancies at Romford when Upminster closes, in any case I can always migrate to other boxes, I’m just so worried that there are so many signallers and they’re still hiring more to fill in positions of ppl that have migrated already, and there are only so many positions available in the ROC and IECC, what’s going to become of the remaining signallers? I smell redundancy pay in the not so distant future.
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Ask the LOM. They'll be able to give you the latest update on possible resignalling funding/migration dates (as well as answering any other queries).
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This is one of my absolute pet hates and roster clerks up and down the land get away with it time and time again. As per NRP and conditions of service if you are spare the published roster must show an actual turn of duty, that is to say a book on time and a book off time. Just putting “8 hours SPARE” or “12hrs SPARE” is not acceptable.
Your spare turn must be one of the agreed shifts for the area - so none of this putting you down 0800 to 1800 if your area or box works 0600 to 1400 and it should always follow on from your last turn, i.e. if you’ve been earlies or backshift all week they can’t bump you onto a nightshift for your last one (they used to try and shaft me with that almost every week). If your base roster shows spare turns then they must show an actual book on and book off time. They can make you report for duty at any time within those hours - booking on at home and leaving your phone on is a privilege rather than a right - but you can only be called to work the hours shown on the published final roster, so if you are shown spare 1200 to 0000 (as per most areas in Scotland) then they absolutely cannot phone you at say 2000 and tell you to come out for the nightshift. Similarly if you are shown 0600 to 1800 they can’t phone you midway through the turn and tell you to come in for a 1400 to 2200.
Spare does not mean “on call”. The RMT really, really needs to clamp down on this sooner rather than later because abuse of spare turns is endemic in the company and there are already published, binding agreements to prevent you being dragged from pillar to post and used as the railway’s bitch.
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Ok will do. Cheers
Ross Shearing
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With the Lewes panel moving up to TBROC next year I was wondering whether anyone knew/estimate the lead in time for new Signallers should they need them? Would they go straight from Signaller School to the new panel, which I doubt, or would they go out to learn the panel first for a month or two before then moving to TBROC?