Class 319's into storage/withdrawals tracker

Bletchleyite · 8 Feb 2018

A none-too-silly thing to do with 319s would be to rediagram the Tring stoppers together with the Watford Junction shuttles to be completely self contained and operate those exclusively using 319s, though I don't know if they are cleared for 12-car running. (321s were, so I see no big reason why not).

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Class455 · 9 Feb 2018

507021 said:
There's eleven due to converted for Northern now, it was eight previously.

My mistake!
Do you know which are the three extras being done?

Class455 · 9 Feb 2018

Bletchleyite said:
A none-too-silly thing to do with 319s would be to rediagram the Tring stoppers together with the Watford Junction shuttles to be completely self contained and operate those exclusively using 319s, though I don't know if they are cleared for 12-car running. (321s were, so I see no big reason why not).

They have a guard anyway so I don't see why they can't be used as 12 cars.

507021 · 9 Feb 2018

Class455 said:
My mistake!
Do you know which are the three extras being done?

I don't unfortunately.

D365 · 9 Feb 2018

Bletchleyite said:
... though I don't know if they are cleared for 12-car running. (321s were, so I see no big reason why not).

Might have been to do with use of the emergency doors on Thameslink, at least while the Widened Lines was open.

Domh245 · 9 Feb 2018

I thought that it was because of overhead contact problems with 3 stone faively pantographs on the MML

Bletchleyite · 9 Feb 2018

Certainly the near-identical 321s operated 12-car on the south WCML for years.

Domh245 · 9 Feb 2018

Bletchleyite said:
Certainly the near-identical 321s operated 12-car on the south WCML for years.

Key difference of course being that the 321s were equipped with the better (in terms of uplift and thus contact) Brecknell-Willis pantographs from the start, and the electrification used on the WCML was somewhat better quality than that on the MML.

XC90 · 11 Feb 2018

Still don't know why they won't move some to Scotrail for a year or so. They already have 318 and 320 and overcrowding is a big issue just now especially during peak times and events.

XC90 · 11 Feb 2018

....314 being retired this year too. The reliability of the 314 units is an issue too.

Class 170101 · 11 Feb 2018

59CosG95 said:
When it comes to catering for bashers, train planners are a soulless bunch. (told me first hand by a basher employed as a train planner)

They aren't all that bad. Class 156s, 170s and 317s have been to unusual places in recent years and the bashers were to be found despite lack of notice of it I might add.

Andrew1395 · 11 Feb 2018

Bletchleyite said:
A none-too-silly thing to do with 319s would be to rediagram the Tring stoppers together with the Watford Junction shuttles to be completely self contained and operate those exclusively using 319s, though I don't know if they are cleared for 12-car running. (321s were, so I see no big reason why not).

Let's hope not. All my train failure canecellations in the last year on the WCML have been on 319s. The best thing to do with them is to say thank you very for your 30 years of service and scrap them.

Class455 · 2 Apr 2018

319012 and 319220 have now been moved to Wolverton, presumably to be repainted into London Northwestern Railway livery

XC90 · 2 Apr 2018

Scotrail 385 windscreen issue will take 12 months to correct. 319s should be heading to Scotland asap. 380s being drafted across to Edinburgh route until 385s ready. 318, 319, 320 for Ayrshire and Inverclyde. 380 Ayr to Edinburgh and North Berwick through route curtailed temporary will only go to Glasgow.
314s may stay for another 2 years.
All speculation at this stage.

MatthewRead · 2 Apr 2018

XC90 said:
Scotrail 385 windscreen issue will take 12 months to correct. 319s should be heading to Scotland asap. 380s being drafted across to Edinburgh route until 385s ready. 318, 319, 320 for Ayrshire and Inverclyde. 380 Ayr to Edinburgh and North Berwick through route curtailed temporary will only go to Glasgow.
314s may stay for another 2 years.
All speculation at this stage.

Where did you get information that 319's were heading to Scotland?

158722 · 3 Apr 2018

MatthewRead said:
Where did you get information that 319's were heading to Scotland?

XC90 said:
Scotrail 385 windscreen issue will take 12 months to correct. 319s should be heading to Scotland asap. 380s being drafted across to Edinburgh route until 385s ready. 318, 319, 320 for Ayrshire and Inverclyde. 380 Ayr to Edinburgh and North Berwick through route curtailed temporary will only go to Glasgow.
314s may stay for another 2 years.
All speculation at this stage.

The only pretty much confirmed part of that is that the 385s look to be delayed up to the December 2019 timetable change and probably can see the 314s staying longer.

The 319s are not going to Scotland. Indeed, given recent announcements, there are actually going to be very few available! All 319/4s now spoken for, 11 for Northern, 19 for GWR, 5 for Wales and 5 at WMR. Two 319/3s in store, along with 18 319/0 and 319/2s, but 8 of these are reported as joining WMR - 319012/220 moved to Wolverton as a result and seems 319215 has now joined them, all presumably for reinstatement for WMR. 365s for the E&G seems to be the preferred patch up for now, along with 380s and apparently, the first HST may be deployed there from the May TT change this year. Current plans are very much fluid, a real mess...

158722 · 3 Apr 2018

And by some coincidence, 319446 moving from Long Marston to Wolverton today.

507021 · 3 Apr 2018

319424 and 319458 have entered traffic for Northern, whilst 319385 is at Allerton but I don't think it has entered service yet.

NSEFAN · 3 Apr 2018

158722 said:
19 for GWR

I haven't been keeping up with these threads... Are those 319s for GWR running natively on electric or will they be converted to Bi-modes as per the Welsh ones?

507021 · 3 Apr 2018

NSEFAN said:
I haven't been keeping up with these threads... Are those 319s for GWR running natively on electric or will they be converted to Bi-modes as per the Welsh ones?

They'll be converted to Class 769.

158722 · 3 Apr 2018

NSEFAN said:
I haven't been keeping up with these threads... Are those 319s for GWR running natively on electric or will they be converted to Bi-modes as per the Welsh ones?

19 converted to 769s (assuming they work!) to replace 165/166s on the Reading to Gatwicks and Basingstokes.

MatthewRead · 3 Apr 2018

158722 said:
19 converted to 769s (assuming they work!) to replace 165/166s on the Reading to Gatwicks and Basingstokes.

And on some Thames Valley services as well won't they?

LT3001 · 3 Apr 2018

Does anyone have an update on the location of 319441, 319455, 319457 & 319458? I believe the latter is at Northern but unsure. Cheers.

Defiance149 · 4 Apr 2018

LT3001 said:
Does anyone have an update on the location of 319441, 319455, 319457 & 319458? I believe the latter is at Northern but unsure. Cheers.

319441/457 operational with LNR, 319458 operational with Northern, 319455 Long Marston

Class455 · 4 Apr 2018

158722 said:
19 converted to 769s (assuming they work!) to replace 165/166s on the Reading to Gatwicks and Basingstokes.

Is that confirmed?
If so, thats brilliant. Good to see 319's back in the South.

Could someone please update me on any movements within the last few months apart from the ones originally recorded?

RichJF · 4 Apr 2018

Class455 said:
Is that confirmed?
If so, thats brilliant. Good to see 319's back in the South.

Could someone please update me on any movements within the last few months apart from the ones originally recorded?

I know they'll be reclassified 769s but I imagine in a lot of people's hearts/minds in 3rd rail land they will still be seen as 319s

sd0733 · 4 Apr 2018

319446 is currently sat in the reception sidings at wolverton. 37800 is also there so presumably will tow it somewhere.

Class455 · 4 Apr 2018

sd0733 said:
319446 is currently sat in the reception sidings at wolverton. 37800 is also there so presumably will tow it somewhere.

Or maybe it's going to take a 455 back to Stewarts Lane?

sd0733 · 4 Apr 2018

Class455 said:
Or maybe it's going to take a 455 back to Stewarts Lane?

There's nothing in realtimetrains going that way. The 2 paths from wolverton are an stp to Bletchley and a path to Allerton. Neither have left yet though but both could potentially be for a 319

Defiance149 · 4 Apr 2018

sd0733 said:
319446 is currently sat in the reception sidings at wolverton. 37800 is also there so presumably will tow it somewhere.

319446 was brought to Wolverton from Long Marston yesterday by 37800. The 37 then did 455 drags to and from Stewart Lane overnight.

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