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Bakerloo stock future plans?
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90sWereBetter
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The 1972 Mk2 stock on the Bakerloo will have to soldier on until the new Piccadilly fleet is delivered in the early 2020s. I think 2025 has been quoted as the earliest the Bakerloo will get its new trains. As a consequence of this, a fair bit of money has had to be spent recently overhauling and refitting the 1972 stock to keep them on the go.
Incidentally, does anyone know how many 1967 and 1972 Mk1 vehicles are in the Bakerloo fleet?
Dstock7080
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No 1967 Stock cars are used.
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are the 1972 mkI
trash80
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72TS will probably be around until the end of the 2020s, i've read 2028 is when the replacement with DTUP begins but everything seems to be getting delayed again.
I don't think anything is definite yet. The Piccadilly line stock hasn't even been ordered yet.
trash80
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Exactly though i think that should be very soon, the rest of the DTUP timetable might become clearer then
LU_timetabler
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I think the idea is for Picc to get new trains first, then Bakerloo. Preference is for Bakerloo new trains, new signalling and extension to Lewisham to all happen together. With any luck someone may persuade NR to re-signal their bit between Queen's Park and Harrow & Wealdstone, so there is actually a chance of the Bakerloo running at a figure in the 30tph region. Late 2020's is latest timeframe I've heard.
AverageTD
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There was a promo video for the new LU deep level trains. Apparently the central will get them too but no announcement when. Piccadilly and Bakerloo should get them first seeing as 1967 stock would be 61 years old in 2028
It's the 72TS on the Bakerloo line, other than a select few 67TS cars that were modified to enable operation alongside the 72TS
317666
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They weren't, it was some 72TS Mk1 cars that were modified to run with the 67TS, and they were withdrawn along with the 67TS.
At one point there were proposals (possibly just a rumour?) to modify some of the 67TS cars to provide extra trains for the Bakerloo as part of re-extending it to Watford Junction, but it never happened.
MatthewRead
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Yes I remember being told that in 2004 and that it would happen by 2010 shame it never did
D365
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Why do you think so? Beyond the Victoria line signalling, they've had very little work with LU. Compared with Bombardier and CAF they've seen no orders in Britain placed for rolling stock since 2015.
Weren't they declining to bid because their books were full with the 700s? This is exactly the sort of humongous order to work hard for as a follow-on to that.
They've got proven quality outside of TfL, and I think their design concept was used in all the official preview artwork.
Whilst true that they have a track record for quality, they've also got something of a reputation for being more expensive than most, and given TfLs current cash strapped status I'm not convinced that quality ranking of bids will swing the financial ranking enough. Also, all of the official previews have been Heatherwick studios, I've not seen anything official that has used pictures of their abomination.
Ah, I was mistaken. I thought the toilet roll cab was the Bombardier design.
The design for the proposed new trains came from Priestmangoode, and not Heatherwick Studios. They are the designers of the bus.
700007
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2020s? I could have sworn I have seen early 2030s somewhere as they were to have their life extended quite a bit. Can anyone verify this?
Mikey C
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Yes, Wikipedia says 2033!
Typical really, the north getting all those new trains, while us Londoners have to put up with 1970s relics based on a 1960s design
(Only joking of course, but it is nice to have one example where we have the older trains
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trash80
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It varies, latest i've seen is 2028 though the Piccadilly Line has to be done first so it will depend on how smooth that goes, as we know these big projects always run without hitches 
MatthewRead
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You mean with lots of hitches the first new train on the Piccadilly line isn't expected until 2023 however there are plans to make the current 1973 tube stock comply with the new signalling due to be installed next year correct me if I'm wrong.It varies, latest i've seen is 2028 though the Piccadilly Line has to be done first so it will depend on how smooth that goes, as we know these big projects always run without hitches
D365
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You mean the SSL resignalling? They'll retain a conventional signalling overlay for the Picc.
tranzitjim
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Why all this delay? Is it due to funding/finance? Why else are we not getting them now?
Dstock7080
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Funding, also why the additional Northern/ Jubilee trains are postponed:
http://www.cityam.com/273606/planned-upgrades-northern-and-jubilee-lines-have-been
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I thought the Bombardier design looked as if it took a lot of inspiration from the 1938TS...
What Bombardier design? If you mean this one, then it is one that TfL had done by Priestmangoode (as @Mojo pointed out). I certainly can't recall any official Bombardier design being shown
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That's the one. I always thought it was bombardier, but I do much prefer this design to the Siemens mockup.What Bombardier design? If you mean this one, then it is one that TfL had done by Priestmangoode (as @Mojo pointed out). I certainly can't recall any official Bombardier design being shown
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When it is eventually replaced I'm sure there's a line on the Isle of Weight that'll make a good home for it.
Dstock7080
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30 April:
DTUP issues new signalling and train control tender to negotiate
To meet the needs of London’s ever-increasing population, the Deep Tube Upgrade Programme (DTUP) has issued an Invitation to Negotiate (ITN) to Alstom, Siemens and Thales, the three companies previously shortlisted to deliver the signalling and train control systems for the four lines that are part of the programme.
Tenders are expected back this autumn with a view to awarding the contract by mid-2020
DTUP issues new signalling and train control tender to negotiate
To meet the needs of London’s ever-increasing population, the Deep Tube Upgrade Programme (DTUP) has issued an Invitation to Negotiate (ITN) to Alstom, Siemens and Thales, the three companies previously shortlisted to deliver the signalling and train control systems for the four lines that are part of the programme.
Tenders are expected back this autumn with a view to awarding the contract by mid-2020
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